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Subject: Re: Surprises with endgame TBs performance

Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba

Date: 13:49:47 02/18/00

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On February 18, 2000 at 12:20:09, Claudio Bollini wrote:

>Hi, chess friends!
>
>I've just finished an endgame test for three "knowledgeable" progs:
>Junior 6, Hiarcs 7.32 and Shredder 4. Initially, my intention
>was to find out which one performs better. Additionally, I want to
>check the (presumable) boost with TBs.
>
>I used a huge set of 1258 assorted endgame positions. I took it (I
>believe) from a Rebel epd database (mes.epd). Anyway, you can
>download it from Dann Corbit's FTP site: ftp://38.168.214.175/pub
>
>Confirming my assumptions, H732 got the best score, although with
>a very narrow margin. *But* incidentally I saw that TB didn't improve
>that much their performances.
>
>(BTW, I had to deactivate manually TBs use in "chssbase.ini". Engine
>option from J6 menu seemed to ignore my request and kept using them).
>
>As shown below, differences are negligible, if any (Shredder 4 case).
>I still believe that TBs *should* increase endgame performance, but I
>cannot explain what happened here. Any idea?
>
>Best regards,
>Claudio Bollini
>
>
>====================================================================
>
>File: "mes.epd": 1258 endgame positions.
>PII 266, 64Mb RAM, 1' per move, 8Mb Hash.
>TB: from ChessBase (150Mb), files for 3 and 4 men. Most important:
>KPK,KPPK,KPKP,KNKP,KNPK,KBKP,KRKP,KRKN,KRKB,KQKP,KQKN,KQKB,KQKR
>
>            *With* TableBase            *Without* TableBase
>
>          hits     %     average      hits    %      average
>                          time			      time
>
>H732      1044  (82.99%)   3"         1047  (83.23%)   4"
>J6        1040  (82.67%)   4"	      1021  (81.16%)   4"
>S4        1024  (81.40%)   4"         1022  (81.24%)   3"
>
>====================================================================

Hi Claudio,
	the see the difference, you need to have at least the 3+2 five men tablebases
in your harddisk (four men tablebases hardly make any difference).
	Also, I do not think that a testsuite is a good measure of tablebase
effectiveness. It is better to play from positions taken from actual games
against other engines (I have three selected rook endings, if you are
interested).
José.



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