Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: MODERATION: The whining begins

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 12:45:56 02/19/00

Go up one level in this thread


Apparently nobody looked in the dictionary very closely, or they would have
noticed that whining doesn't have 3 n's in it.

Dave


On February 19, 2000 at 13:10:15, Jay Rinde wrote:

>I looked in the dictionary too. Whinning=when one does not agree with you. Not
>Whinning=when one agrees with you.
>
>
>
>
>On February 19, 2000 at 12:26:59, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2000 at 12:09:42, Michael Neish wrote:
>>
>>>On February 19, 2000 at 11:02:20, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 19, 2000 at 10:13:10, KarinsDad wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I were in Adams shoes, I would probably have done the same thing. So what? As
>>>>Shakespeare said (I quote from memory, sorry) "If we were treated as we deserved
>>>>to be, who could avoid being whipped?". I mean, I am not a model role and I
>>>>don't claim to be one. I maintain what I said. The sportman (and a competition
>>>>chessplayer is one) who wants to win a match without playing it is a jerk. In
>>>>Adams' case this is specially clear because, due to *his* *own* connection
>>>>problems, the match was delayed two hours. Note the subtle point: he was not
>>>>forfeited. When Junior runs into the same problems, he claims forfeit. To be
>>>>fair to the truth I don't believe he is the only jerk in the whole story.
>>>
>>>If you put it that way, of course it sounds pretty damning for Adams, but I
>>>think there is more to consider than just the fact that he wasn't forfeited
>>>after a
>>>two-hour delay at his end, etc.  I think the ones on this forum who are most
>>>qualified to give their opinions on what happened on that day are the ones
>>>who were directly involved.  The rest of us are just going on a load of
>>>incomplete information tinged with personal opinions, and so we have no
>>>right to go up in arms and start calling people "jerks" and "cowards", and
>>>claiming certain people are "afraid" and what have you.  We need to know
>>>the complete picture, and we simply haven't got it.  And it doesn't solve
>>>the problem anyway.  The last thing computer Chess needs is an
>>>acrimonious atmosphere between players and programmers.  Isn't it better
>>>just to cool it, find out as much as possible about what happened, and then
>>>work on finding ways to prevent it from happening again?  The deed has
>>>been done, and that's that.  Let's all look forward to the next time.
>>>
>>>Name calling -- now that really is a clever solution.
>>
>>First of all english is not my langage. I have looked in my dictionnary and
>>"jerk" doesn't appear to be such a strong word, but you could substitute it for
>>"nasty" if I am mistaken and the word is too much.
>>
>>My view on Adams is damning, but it is the way I see it. Your proposal to wait
>>for the facts, in theory, is very good, but in practice, it is naive. Do you
>>think that you have the real facts in every branch of life where someone has an
>>interest? Do you think you know the facts of Clinton-Lewinsky? Or in chess, do
>>you know the real facts of the first Kasparov-Karpov match, or the complete and
>>true facts on Hsu-Kasparov-Williams recent negotiations? It is naive to assume
>>that we will ever know the true facts, because everyone tells what they want to
>>tell and we must assume that.
>>
>>This is an opinion forum, and this is the place to tell our opinions. The DJ
>>forfeiture is a significant event, and we are entitled, in my opinion, to tell
>>what we think about it without waiting forever for a Godot (the true and
>>objective facts) that will never come.
>>
>>Another thing, to be a coward can be more or less pretty, but it is not a crime
>>being one, so I don't see any reason why you should not tell that someone is a
>>coward if you think so. Incidentally, I didn't call Adams a coward, and I don't
>>think he is. I just think he is a bad sportman and had a nasty behaviour.
>>
>>Alvaro
>>
>>>
>>>Mike.



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.