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Subject: Re: SSDF Fritz 6 K6-2 - Shredder 2 P200MMX game 7-11/40 Now: 9,5 - 1,5

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 12:43:34 02/23/00

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On February 23, 2000 at 15:19:39, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On February 23, 2000 at 14:40:59, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>
>>On February 23, 2000 at 12:33:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>Has anyone considered that this might be a major source of error, perhaps rating
>>>inflation?
>>
>>i don't think they consider about their methods.
>
>Hi!
>
>In example you critizised us for counting doubles. 12 out of 400+ games(Tiger),
>less than 3%.

3% double games in 400+ published games of tiger.
and you believe this ?
nonsense. there is and there ever WAS more than 3 % double-games in the ssdf.
10 years ago. 5 years ago. 1 year ago. today.
you want to tell us that only 3 % of the games are senseless because they
are doubles ???

3 % of the games of learning programs are maybe doubles.
but look in your games and be honest and count the amount of doubles.
and than come again and tell us that this amount of games is only 3 %

>I have seen you publish 2 games Tal-CM6000 0-1 with the same
>opening it is 100%,


????

in different tournament ? on different machines ??
i don't understand you. my tournament is a swiss-tournament.
anybody plays against other opponents each round. when cstal has played
cm6, it has played against cm ONCE in a tournament.


>but of course maybe you have played some other games that
>you don´t count for some reason that we can't understand and even don't
>consider, as our methods are so primitive and stupid.

??????

What do you want. I have made a NORMAL comment to a discussion here.
and your answer on a normal critics i did , reffering a statement that was
ok from bruce, is THIS KIND OF behaviour here.
Sorry. this is not civilized !
You call me indirectly cheating and you call my "methods" (whatever this is:
playing a swiss tournament does not seem to be stupid to me anyhow. i would
say somebody pressing a button and going to bed is more stupid, since
he is only reduced to press a button, even an animal could do the same)
primitive and stupid. i do the same ICCA and others do all their life:
this is watching computer-chess-programs play against each other.
you press a button in sweden and go to bed. what is more primitive.
what ICCA and the guys in paderborn do ? or what you do ?

>Bertil

I will not ask the moderators for censoring your statement.
IMO your statements is a good example how YOUR kind of people behave
with critics and comments concerning their work.
Your behaviour, especially your misplaced insults, shows
the same arrogance and intolerance to other people's opinion
like your methods in sweden show since the day your ssdf-list has been
found years ago.

change your methods. be open to constructive changes, and the critics
will end. but insulting people is IMO not the way to behave in computerchess
world. i will not accept this. others will not accept this.




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