Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 13:27:52 02/23/00
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On February 23, 2000 at 15:49:04, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >If You are NORMAL, I´m glad I´m stupid ;-) i do not know what kind of dopes you eat in sweden, but it seems obvious that the stuff makes very sensible dreams. my "stupid" and "cheating" methods are easy, watching what the programs play, watching their main-lines and their evaluations. I can "watch" this data on tournaments like ICCA championships, can watch this data on games played at home and even in autoplayer-games. the content of the game gives the insight, not the result. these "stupid" methods made it very easy to me to find out how strong hiarcs was, long time before sweden-guys have tested hiarcs in hundreds of games, especially since these "intelligent" swedish guys did not test hiarcs on fast machines, they only gave it 1/2 that speed machines like genius got. this way of course you will find out different kind of things, only not about strength. who knew before 1993 that hiarcs will win the championship ? my "stupid" methods. the same stupid "watching" methods told christophe how good his program is. who took hundreds of games to find out the same thing, after having put tiger on a slow machine "because we don't have the resources and cannot give any weak program a fast machine" ?? I guess i was much earlier and even more precise although i have not seen hundreds of double-games :-)) and the same for shredder-paderborn1999. again my stupid "methods" of only watching a few games told the strength very precise. so : who needs to show evidence that HIS methods measure the right thing ? When a method is at least 100 times more effective than another "method" or however you call you bean-counting when you go to sleep after having pressed a button on a machine that automatically does the job, how would you call this method ? "stupid" ?? aha. i see. you call it stupid because i do cheat. than christophe was fooled by me. and stefan was fooled and mark uniacke were fooled when i told them about the strength of their programs after watching a few games. of course. they are all foolish people following foolish "cheating" guys and by randomn they win tournament, win championships by "good luck" meanwhile YOU in sweden measure the TRUTH ???? aha. all the world is foolish, only sweden tests the truth. all these little tournaments people do for fun and because they want to watch computerchess programs play is for idiots and only sweden is right "measuring" by bean-counting. i do only see that you later proof what other "stupid" and "cheating" methods have found out earlier, with less "resources" and more precise even making bets about who will win where in future tournaments. so what do you do ? IMO you waste much energy since your "results" are 6 months too late, need 100 times more games to find out the same, and the wise comments you present us wherever you post your "ideas about how the programs have been played in sweden" have the quality of limmericks. but please continue your good work since it always produces much fun. never laughed so much like after reading ssdf-comments about their latest list: "a little late, after wasting 1000 hours of electricity, we have found out, what was obvious, long time before we were able to buy the programs, we did not tested some programs because we found out by prejudice that these programs are not strong, and we don't have enough resources to test them. maybe in the next list we will find out - after the others have made insulting comments about us - that we were wrong testing those programs on slow machines, maybe not in the next list, but 3 lists later, and than we will react and test the "weak" programs on fast-hardware and suddenly the program will lead the list, sorry, we are a little late, but here in sweden it is often very dark ... but we precisely measured that the world-chess-champion xyz is a very strong program indeed. We will upgrade our machines from XT to AT in a couple of weeks, soon. "
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