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Subject: Re: SSDF Fritz 6 K6-2 - Shredder 2 P200MMX game 7-11/40 Now: 9,5 - 1,5

Author: Mark Young

Date: 08:27:38 02/24/00

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On February 24, 2000 at 09:06:46, Tony Hedlund wrote:

>On February 24, 2000 at 08:44:57, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On February 24, 2000 at 08:00:14, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>
>>>On February 24, 2000 at 06:58:14, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 23, 2000 at 15:01:14, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 23, 2000 at 12:33:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 23, 2000 at 11:08:43, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>shredder2 was not tested on the fast hardware because the ssdf always use fast
>>>>>>>hardware for new programs and old hardware for old programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone considered that this might be a major source of error, perhaps rating
>>>>>>inflation?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why? Any suggestions of what to do instead. Do you think humans should refuse to
>>>>>play opponents rated 200 elo higher or lower.
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Always" is a bad word to use when you are trying to get an accurate result from
>>>>>>a system that is designed to produce accurate ratings within a pool where
>>>>>>everyone plays everyone under the same average conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever thought about that the human pool works in the same way, except
>>>>>for being much bigger?
>>>>>
>>>>>There is a slight inflation because some older programs have no
>>>>>learning-function.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course the pool should be calibrated but not because of someones gut-feelings
>>>>>or wild guesses.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bertil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>bruce
>>>>
>>>>I think your real mistake is to use Shredder as the favorite competitor on the
>>>>MMX200 machine. Some people see testing on unequal platforms as an injustice to
>>>>the program running on the weaker machine, and by now you should understand that
>>>>you will not be able to convince them otherwise.
>>>
>>>We are not just testing programs, we are testing entries. Where Fritz 5.32/AMD
>>>K6-2 450 is one entry and Fritz 5.32/200 MMX is another. IOW they are two
>>>different players.
>>>
>>
>>I understand this completely. I hope I didn't give you the impression that I
>>support this view.
>
>Not at all. My answer was for the eyes of others.
>
>Tony
>
>>Nevertheless it exists.
>>

I say the hell with them, keep doing what you are doing. You can't fix stupid,
and playing an other program at 200 mhz will not get you any peace.

>>Amir
>>
>>
>>>>Shredder is highly protected by
>>>>some frequent posters here, and you are asking for trouble by testing it in the
>>>>way you do. You can easily avoid it by picking a different program to test. You
>>>>can take Junior 5/MMX200, for example, with my blessing.
>>>>
>>>>Amir
>>>
>>>We play against a lot of programs on 200MMX. The problem might be that Hans is
>>>the only one that post the games here.
>>>
>>>Tony



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