Author: blass uri
Date: 22:46:17 02/24/00
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On February 25, 2000 at 00:45:38, Harald Faber wrote: >On February 24, 2000 at 04:21:01, blass uri wrote: > >>On February 24, 2000 at 00:52:19, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2000 at 14:38:43, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>>i don't really understand what harald wants to show. we were the same opinion >>>>that >>>> >>>>a) shredder4 >>>>b) tiger12 >>>>c) junior6a >>>> >>>>are the strongest programs in the moment. >>>> >>>>harald tested shredder4 against cstal. >>>>i said: no wonder that cstal loses, shredder is the strongest program in the >>>>moment. >>>> >>>>harald said: it would also lose to others. >>>> >>>>i said: it would lose to other that are as strong as shredder4 is. >>> >>> >>>And YOU wrote that the others would compete with Tal, that means that all >>>others, Junior, Tiger etc., are clearly weaker than Shredder. >> >> >>Thorsten wrote that today tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can >>compete with tal. >> >>I remember that he wrote it before your match of Junior6a against tal and not >>after it. > > >Correct, NOW he says so. Right after the match vs Shredder he wrote s.th. >different, look in the CCC archive if you want to read it. I think that you missed his post see http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/message.html?98279 You are right that he did not mention tiger12 and Junior6 in another post you responded to. but he explained that tiger12 and now Junior6a are the only programs that can stand against Shredder. > > >>>Thorsten, you always complain about anything in my matches. Hardware not fast >>>enough, then not equal, wrong opponent, played with (Windows!-)autoplayer. I >>>guess I can go on playing Tal vs several opponents, each time Tal loses (and >>>that will be more often than you would like to see) you complain about anything. >>> >>>Final offer: Choose an opponent of your wish (that supports autoplayer!) to play >>>on the K6-200 vs Tal on Athlon. > > >Notice that Thorsten did not answer to my last offer. > > >>>And then swear to God that you won't complain if Tal loses. :-) >> >>If there is a difference between your results and thorsten's results than >>it is interesting to understand the reason for this difference. >>I do not think that the reason is that one of you cheat. >>It is possible that there is some differnece between your tal and thorsten's tal > > >It shouldn't since we both use the CD-version plus the 2.03 update. > > >>I suggest to check if thorsten's tal can reproduce the moves that your tal did >>in the games against Junior6a. >>If thorsten find a move that his tal cannot reproduce >>Thorsten can post the relevant position and you can check manually not all the >>game but only the moves that thorsten's tal cannnot reproduce. >> >>If you do not find the problem after cheking these games then I suggest that you >>do your games against another opponent. > > >:-) >What about my games with Junior6 vs Tal? > > >>I do not want to read again new complains(for example tal did not use the right >>opening book). >>Uri > > >Me too, that is why I made my final offer. If Thorsten doesn't make a serious >suggestion (anyway I admit I am tired testing Tal as I always get very similar >results), I'll go on testing Tiger/Athlon vs Shredder/K6, at the moment 3-1 (+2 >=2 -0) in favour of Tiger. You see it IS possible to win against Shredder. ;-) Of course. Thorsten also agree that tiger can win shredder with the faster hardware. He explained that tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can stand against shredder. I do not think that he is right about it(enriaue's games proved that in 40/40 other programs like Fritz,Nimzo could get better results than shredder and I do not believe that there is a big difference between 40/40 and 120/40 and if there was a problem with the autoplayer the programmer of shredder could discover what is the problem) but I do not think that thorsten cheats in his games. Maybe the difference is because of the fact that thorsten is using different hardware that help more shredder and also it is possible that thorsten's impression is wrong. Uri
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