Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 23:31:47 02/24/00
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On February 25, 2000 at 01:46:17, blass uri wrote: >On February 25, 2000 at 00:45:38, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On February 24, 2000 at 04:21:01, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On February 24, 2000 at 00:52:19, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>On February 23, 2000 at 14:38:43, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>> >>>>>i don't really understand what harald wants to show. we were the same opinion >>>>>that >>>>> >>>>>a) shredder4 >>>>>b) tiger12 >>>>>c) junior6a >>>>> >>>>>are the strongest programs in the moment. >>>>> >>>>>harald tested shredder4 against cstal. >>>>>i said: no wonder that cstal loses, shredder is the strongest program in the >>>>>moment. >>>>> >>>>>harald said: it would also lose to others. >>>>> >>>>>i said: it would lose to other that are as strong as shredder4 is. >>>> >>>> >>>>And YOU wrote that the others would compete with Tal, that means that all >>>>others, Junior, Tiger etc., are clearly weaker than Shredder. >>> >>> >>>Thorsten wrote that today tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can >>>compete with tal. >>> >>>I remember that he wrote it before your match of Junior6a against tal and not >>>after it. >> >> >>Correct, NOW he says so. Right after the match vs Shredder he wrote s.th. >>different, look in the CCC archive if you want to read it. > >I think that you missed his post >see >http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/message.html?98279 > >You are right that he did not mention tiger12 and Junior6 in another post you >responded to. > >but he explained that tiger12 and now Junior6a are the only programs that can >stand against Shredder. >> >> >>>>Thorsten, you always complain about anything in my matches. Hardware not fast >>>>enough, then not equal, wrong opponent, played with (Windows!-)autoplayer. I >>>>guess I can go on playing Tal vs several opponents, each time Tal loses (and >>>>that will be more often than you would like to see) you complain about anything. >>>> >>>>Final offer: Choose an opponent of your wish (that supports autoplayer!) to play >>>>on the K6-200 vs Tal on Athlon. >> >> >>Notice that Thorsten did not answer to my last offer. >> >> >>>>And then swear to God that you won't complain if Tal loses. :-) >>> >>>If there is a difference between your results and thorsten's results than >>>it is interesting to understand the reason for this difference. >>>I do not think that the reason is that one of you cheat. >>>It is possible that there is some differnece between your tal and thorsten's tal >> >> >>It shouldn't since we both use the CD-version plus the 2.03 update. >> >> >>>I suggest to check if thorsten's tal can reproduce the moves that your tal did >>>in the games against Junior6a. >>>If thorsten find a move that his tal cannot reproduce >>>Thorsten can post the relevant position and you can check manually not all the >>>game but only the moves that thorsten's tal cannnot reproduce. >>> >>>If you do not find the problem after cheking these games then I suggest that you >>>do your games against another opponent. >> >> >>:-) >>What about my games with Junior6 vs Tal? >> >> >>>I do not want to read again new complains(for example tal did not use the right >>>opening book). >>>Uri >> >> >>Me too, that is why I made my final offer. If Thorsten doesn't make a serious >>suggestion (anyway I admit I am tired testing Tal as I always get very similar >>results), I'll go on testing Tiger/Athlon vs Shredder/K6, at the moment 3-1 (+2 >>=2 -0) in favour of Tiger. You see it IS possible to win against Shredder. ;-) > >Of course. > >Thorsten also agree that tiger can win shredder with the faster hardware. >He explained that tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can stand >against shredder. > >I do not think that he is right about it(enriaue's games proved that in 40/40 >other programs like Fritz,Nimzo could get better results than shredder and I do >not believe that there is a big difference between 40/40 and 120/40 and if there >was a problem with the autoplayer the programmer of shredder could discover what >is the problem) but I do not think that thorsten cheats in his games. > >Maybe the difference is because of the fact that thorsten is using different >hardware that help more shredder and also it is possible that thorsten's >impression is wrong. > >Uri Hi! I don't think he is cheating but I found it interesting that he have published two games CM6000-CSTal, from two different occasions with the same opening-line. 16 moves I think. Both resulted in wins for Tal. I have played over 140 tournament games with Tiger with no doubles except against Junior6. Bertil
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