Author: blass uri
Date: 00:03:17 02/25/00
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On February 25, 2000 at 02:31:47, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On February 25, 2000 at 01:46:17, blass uri wrote: > >>On February 25, 2000 at 00:45:38, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On February 24, 2000 at 04:21:01, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On February 24, 2000 at 00:52:19, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 23, 2000 at 14:38:43, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>i don't really understand what harald wants to show. we were the same opinion >>>>>>that >>>>>> >>>>>>a) shredder4 >>>>>>b) tiger12 >>>>>>c) junior6a >>>>>> >>>>>>are the strongest programs in the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>>harald tested shredder4 against cstal. >>>>>>i said: no wonder that cstal loses, shredder is the strongest program in the >>>>>>moment. >>>>>> >>>>>>harald said: it would also lose to others. >>>>>> >>>>>>i said: it would lose to other that are as strong as shredder4 is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>And YOU wrote that the others would compete with Tal, that means that all >>>>>others, Junior, Tiger etc., are clearly weaker than Shredder. >>>> >>>> >>>>Thorsten wrote that today tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can >>>>compete with tal. >>>> >>>>I remember that he wrote it before your match of Junior6a against tal and not >>>>after it. >>> >>> >>>Correct, NOW he says so. Right after the match vs Shredder he wrote s.th. >>>different, look in the CCC archive if you want to read it. >> >>I think that you missed his post >>see >>http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/message.html?98279 >> >>You are right that he did not mention tiger12 and Junior6 in another post you >>responded to. >> >>but he explained that tiger12 and now Junior6a are the only programs that can >>stand against Shredder. >>> >>> >>>>>Thorsten, you always complain about anything in my matches. Hardware not fast >>>>>enough, then not equal, wrong opponent, played with (Windows!-)autoplayer. I >>>>>guess I can go on playing Tal vs several opponents, each time Tal loses (and >>>>>that will be more often than you would like to see) you complain about anything. >>>>> >>>>>Final offer: Choose an opponent of your wish (that supports autoplayer!) to play >>>>>on the K6-200 vs Tal on Athlon. >>> >>> >>>Notice that Thorsten did not answer to my last offer. >>> >>> >>>>>And then swear to God that you won't complain if Tal loses. :-) >>>> >>>>If there is a difference between your results and thorsten's results than >>>>it is interesting to understand the reason for this difference. >>>>I do not think that the reason is that one of you cheat. >>>>It is possible that there is some differnece between your tal and thorsten's tal >>> >>> >>>It shouldn't since we both use the CD-version plus the 2.03 update. >>> >>> >>>>I suggest to check if thorsten's tal can reproduce the moves that your tal did >>>>in the games against Junior6a. >>>>If thorsten find a move that his tal cannot reproduce >>>>Thorsten can post the relevant position and you can check manually not all the >>>>game but only the moves that thorsten's tal cannnot reproduce. >>>> >>>>If you do not find the problem after cheking these games then I suggest that you >>>>do your games against another opponent. >>> >>> >>>:-) >>>What about my games with Junior6 vs Tal? >>> >>> >>>>I do not want to read again new complains(for example tal did not use the right >>>>opening book). >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Me too, that is why I made my final offer. If Thorsten doesn't make a serious >>>suggestion (anyway I admit I am tired testing Tal as I always get very similar >>>results), I'll go on testing Tiger/Athlon vs Shredder/K6, at the moment 3-1 (+2 >>>=2 -0) in favour of Tiger. You see it IS possible to win against Shredder. ;-) >> >>Of course. >> >>Thorsten also agree that tiger can win shredder with the faster hardware. >>He explained that tiger and Junior6a are the only programs that can stand >>against shredder. >> >>I do not think that he is right about it(enriaue's games proved that in 40/40 >>other programs like Fritz,Nimzo could get better results than shredder and I do >>not believe that there is a big difference between 40/40 and 120/40 and if there >>was a problem with the autoplayer the programmer of shredder could discover what >>is the problem) but I do not think that thorsten cheats in his games. >> >>Maybe the difference is because of the fact that thorsten is using different >>hardware that help more shredder and also it is possible that thorsten's >>impression is wrong. >> >>Uri > >Hi! > >I don't think he is cheating but I found it interesting that he have published >two games CM6000-CSTal, from two different occasions with the same opening-line. >16 moves I think. Both resulted in wins for Tal. I have played over 140 >tournament games with Tiger with no doubles except against Junior6. > >Bertil chessmaster6000 has no learning function so you can expect more doubles with chessmaster6000. I read about the game CM6000-tal from his millenium tournament. I do not know about another game with the same opening line of tal against chessmaster6000 When did he post the second game? Uri
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