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Subject: Re: SHREDDER 4 analysis capability

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 11:01:27 02/27/00

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Here is Shredder's automatic analysis of the game. It gets easier to read
after you have loaded it into Shredder again as the lines and
evaluations are displayed in a different color (Mark the game below
and paste it into Shredder).

I have setup Shredder to comment on ever move where Shredder thinks
that a different move than the one played was better by half a pawn.

According to Shredder 33...Qa4, 37...Rbf8 and 43...Kh6 were mistakes
by black. White could have played a better move with 33.b7. (the move
33.Rb1 played by Morozevich was scored with +0.29 pawns after a 13 ply
search where as 33.b7 scored +0.85 pawns.)

[Event "Corus"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2000.01.30"]
[Round "13"]
[White "Morozevich,A"]
[Black "Nikolic,Pr"]
[WhiteElo "2748"]
[BlackElo "2659"]
[ECO "C00"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Qe2 dxe4 4. dxe4 e5 5. Nf3 Nd7 6. Nbd2
c6 7. b3 Qc7 8. Bb2 a5 9. g3 Nh6 10. Bh3 f6 11. a4 Bb4
12. O-O O-O 13. Nc4 Nf7 14. Ne1 Re8 15. Nd3 Bf8 16. Bc3 b6
17. Bd2 Nd6 18. Nxd6 Bxd6 19. Be3 Nf8 20. Bxc8 Raxc8 21. c3
Ne6 22. Rfd1 Rb8 23. b4 axb4 {-0.48/11 0s} (23... c5
{+0.02/11 2:49m} 24. b5 Qf7 25. Nb2 Bc7 26. Qg4 Rbd8
27. Qf5 Nf8 28. Rxd8 Rxd8 29. Rd1 Rxd1+ 30. Nxd1) 24. Nxb4
Bxb4 25. cxb4 c5 26. Rac1 Qc6 27. Qa2 Kh8 28. Rd5 Ra8
29. a5 Nc7 30. Rdd1 Qxe4 31. Qf7 Ne6 32. axb6 Qxb4 33. Rb1
{+0.29/13 0s} (33. b7 {+0.85/13 2:22m} Rab8 34. Rd7 c4
35. Kg2 Qa3 36. Rxc4 Qf8) 33... Qa4 {-1.65/13 10s}
(33... Qg4 {-0.29/13 3:19m} 34. b7 Rab8 35. Rd6 h5 36. Rc1
Nd4 37. Bxd4 cxd4 38. Rc7 Red8 39. f3 Qg5 40. Rxd8+ Rxd8
41. Rc8) 34. b7 Rab8 35. Rd7 Qc6 36. Bh6 Rg8 37. Rbd1 Rbf8
{-2.48/11 1s} (37... Qa6 {-1.59/11 58s} 38. Re7 Rbf8
39. Qxe6 Qxe6 40. Rxe6 gxh6 41. Rb1 c4 42. Rc6) 38. Bxg7+
Nxg7 39. Qxf8 Rxf8 40. Rd8 Ne6 41. Rxf8+ Nxf8 42. b8=Q Kg7
43. Qa7+ Kh6 {-4.39/15 0s} (43... Kg8 {-2.48/15 2:33m}
44. Rd8 Qe6 45. Qxc5 Qf7 46. g4 Kg7 47. Qd6 h6 48. h4 Kg8
49. Kh2 Qg7 50. Qd5+ Kh7) 44. Qf7 1-0

Please let me know if you need more info.
  Stefan





On February 26, 2000 at 07:54:55, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:

>On February 25, 2000 at 08:22:34, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>
>>This is only the dump of all of Shredder's output.
>>
>>Shredder can also analyse a game and add comments to moves where it thinks that
>>they were mistakes or add comments to all moves, your choice.
>>
>>The comments are added to the game notation and Shredder's main lines are added
>>as lines so you can replay them afterwards.
>>
>>If you send me or post a game in PGN format I can let Shredder analyse it and
>>post the result here.
>>
>>Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Good Day.
>
>I hope the game below could be analyzed, preferably providing comments to moves,
>which the program thinks mistakes.
>
>[Event "Corus"]
>[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
>[Date "2000.01.30"]
>[Round "13"]
>[White "Morozevich,A"]
>[Black "Nikolic,Pr"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2748"]
>[BlackElo "2659"]
>[EventDate "2000.01.15"]
>[ECO "C00"]
>1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Qe2 dxe4 4. dxe4 e5 5. Nf3 Nd7 6. Nbd2 c6 7. b3 Qc7
>8. Bb2 a5 9. g3 Nh6 10. Bh3 f6 11. a4 Bb4 12. O-O O-O 13. Nc4 Nf7 14. Ne1 Re8
>15. Nd3 Bf8 16. Bc3 b6 17. Bd2 Nd6 18. Nxd6 Bxd6 19. Be3 Nf8 20. Bxc8 Raxc8
>21. c3 Ne6 22. Rfd1 Rb8 23. b4 axb4 24. Nxb4 Bxb4 25. cxb4 c5 26. Rac1 Qc6
>27. Qa2 Kh8 28. Rd5 Ra8 29. a5 Nc7 30. Rdd1 Qxe4 31. Qf7 Ne6
>32. axb6 Qxb4 33. Rb1 Qa4 34. b7 Rab8 35. Rd7 Qc6 36. Bh6 Rg8 37. Rbd1 Rbf8
>38. Bxg7+ Nxg7 39. Qxf8 Rxf8 40. Rd8 Ne6 41. Rxf8+ Nxf8 42. b8=Q Kg7
>43. Qa7+ Kh6 44. Qf7 1-0
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On February 25, 2000 at 08:10:19, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>
>>>On February 25, 2000 at 02:25:14, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does Shredder 4 support auto analysis?
>>>>Can anyone show a sample of a game with
>>>>analysis, from the above engine.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Yes it does.  It places the analysis in a dmp file.  You will have to turn
>>>logging on to have write to the dump file.  Analysis can done to either a game
>>>file or an epd file.
>>>
>>>I've included a sample of a Shredder 3 dump file.  I haven't looked in detail
>>>but I believe the Shredder 4 dump file is the same, maybe minor differences.   I
>>>have written an awk script to reformat the output from an epd analysis (sample
>>>below) back to standard epd format.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>Shredder 3.0
>>>computer speed: 465
>>>search hash:  2^18 entries per side <-> 12288 Kbytes memory
>>>evaluation hash:  2^18 entries per side <-> 4096 Kbytes memory
>>>pruning on
>>>combinations on
>>>pawn structures on
>>>tactical search off
>>>selectivity: 12
>>>check every 15500 nodes
>>>operator time is 0 seconds
>>>tournament book[3] on
>>>user book off
>>>learning on
>>>book learning on
>>>result learning on
>>>permanent brain on
>>>draw value is 0
>>>output after 76500 nodes
>>>output in pb after 76500 nodes
>>>bell on
>>>debug code off!
>>>new game!
>>>position:
>>>
>>>r1bqkb1r/p1p2ppp/2n2n2/1p1Pp1N1/2B5/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         8 |*R*|:::|*B*|*Q*|*K*|*B*|   |*R*
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         7 |*P*|   |*P*|   |:::|*P*|*P*|*P*
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         6 |   |:::|*N*|:::|   |*N*|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         5 |:::|*P*|:::| P |*P*|   | N |
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         4 |   |:::| B |:::|   |:::|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         3 |:::|   |:::|   |:::|   |:::|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         2 | P | P | P | P |   | P | P | P
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         1 | R | N | B | Q | K |   |:::| R
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>             a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>>> 29:59 min to go (40.69, 4:29)
>>>no solution given!
>>>solution :
>>> 6 ->   0:02.00  +1.46   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.Nc3 Bg4 3.f3 Bf5 (66.392) 33.1
>>> 7.01   0:02.68  +1.71++ 1.dxc6 (95.122) 35.4
>>> 7.01   0:02.99  +1.71   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.O-O Bd6 3.Nc3 O-O 4.Re1 (106.722) 35.6
>>> 7 ->   0:04.67  +1.71   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.O-O Bd6 3.Nc3 O-O 4.Re1 (187.595) 40.1
>>> 8.01   0:05.34  +1.46-- 1.dxc6 (210.728) 39.4
>>> 8.01   0:06.68  +1.46   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.O-O Bd6 3.Nc3 h6 4.Nf3 O-O (274.676) 41.1
>>> 8 ->   0:11.38  +1.46   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.O-O Bd6 3.Nc3 h6 4.Nf3 O-O (492.622) 43.2
>>> 9.01   0:18.41  +1.44   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.Qe2 Be7 3.Qxc4 O-O 4.O-O Ng4 5.Nf3
>>>(795.820) 43.2
>>> 9 ->   0:39.97  +1.44   1.dxc6 bxc4 2.Qe2 Be7 3.Qxc4 O-O 4.O-O Ng4 5.Nf3
>>>(1.749.014) 43.7
>>>best move: d5xc6 time: 0:39.988 min  n/s: 43.738  nodes: 1.749.014
>>>eval hash hits 11%; search/eval hash 64% / 62% filled
>>>wrong solution!
>>>right until now: 0 of 1
>>>new game!
>>>position:
>>>
>>>r4rk1/p1p3pp/2n1p3/1pb1p1q1/4Bn2/2P5/PP1P1PPP/RNB1QRK1 b - -
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         8 |*R*|:::|   |:::|   |*R*|*K*|:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         7 |*P*|   |*P*|   |:::|   |*P*|*P*
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         6 |   |:::|*N*|:::|*P*|:::|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         5 |:::|*P*|*B*|   |*P*|   |*Q*|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         4 |   |:::|   |:::| B |*N*|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         3 |:::|   | P |   |:::|   |:::|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         2 | P | P |   | P |   | P | P | P
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         1 | R | N | B |   | Q | R | K |
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>             a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>>> 30:00 min to go (40.70, 4:30)
>>>no solution given!
>>>solution :
>>> 8 ->   0:01.11  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 Nxf2+ 4.Kg1 (75.887) 68.2
>>> 9.01   0:01.30  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 Nxf2+ 4.Kg1 (84.294) 64.7
>>> 9 ->   0:02.69  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 Nxf2+ 4.Kg1 (170.285) 63.2
>>>10.01   0:03.49  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 (210.755) 60.3
>>>10 ->   0:05.83  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 (384.855) 65.9
>>>11.01   0:08.85  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 (533.598) 60.2
>>>11 ->   0:21.96  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 (1.351.283) 61.5
>>>12.01   0:34.27  +6.25   1...Bxf2+ 2.Rxf2 Nh3+ 3.Kh1 (1.988.821) 58.0
>>>best move: Bc5xf2 time: 0:48.470 min  n/s: 57.626  nodes: 2.793.169
>>>eval hash hits 10%; search/eval hash 80% / 48% filled
>>>wrong solution!
>>>right until now: 0 of 2
>>>new game!
>>>position:
>>>
>>>r5k1/p1p3pp/2B1p3/1p2p1q1/8/2P5/PP1P1nPP/RNB2K2 b - -
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         8 |*R*|:::|   |:::|   |:::|*K*|:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         7 |*P*|   |*P*|   |:::|   |*P*|*P*
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         6 |   |:::| B |:::|*P*|:::|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         5 |:::|*P*|:::|   |*P*|   |*Q*|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         4 |   |:::|   |:::|   |:::|   |:::
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         3 |:::|   | P |   |:::|   |:::|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         2 | P | P |   | P |   |*N*| P | P
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         1 | R | N | B |   |:::| K |:::|
>>>           +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>             a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>>> 30:00 min to go (40.70, 4:30)
>>>no solution given!
>>>solution :
>>> 6.01   0:00.51  +7.58++ 1...Rf8 (27.214) 53.3
>>> 6.01   0:02.14  +8.20   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Nd3 3.Na3 e4 4.h4 Qxh4 5.Nxb5 exf3 6.Nxc7
>>>(118.080) 55.1
>>> 6 ->   0:02.30  +8.20   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Nd3 3.Na3 e4 4.h4 Qxh4 5.Nxb5 exf3 6.Nxc7
>>>(126.171) 54.7
>>> 7.01   0:02.69  +8.45++ 1...Rf8 (142.534) 52.9
>>> 7.01   0:04.14  +8.85   1...Rf8 2.Ke2 e4 3.h3 Nd3 4.Bxe4 Nxc1+ 5.Kd1 (225.403)
>>>54.3
>>> 7 ->   0:05.23  +8.85   1...Rf8 2.Ke2 e4 3.h3 Nd3 4.Bxe4 Nxc1+ 5.Kd1 (299.147)
>>>57.1
>>> 8.01   0:06.48  +9.10++ 1...Rf8 (356.524) 54.9
>>> 8.01   0:09.46  +9.59   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Nd3 3.Kg1 e4 4.Kf1 Nxc1 5.Na3 Qxd2 6.Nxb5
>>>Qxb2 7.Nxc7 (504.188) 53.2
>>> 8 ->   0:09.53  +9.59   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Nd3 3.Kg1 e4 4.Kf1 Nxc1 5.Na3 Qxd2 6.Nxb5
>>>Qxb2 7.Nxc7 (505.629) 53.0
>>> 9.01   0:23.28  +9.84++ 1...Rf8 (1.178.679) 50.6
>>> 9.01   0:36.92 +10.34++ 1...Rf8 (1.871.258) 50.6
>>> 9.01   0:42.61 +10.43   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Qh4 3.h3 e4 4.Kg1 exf3 5.a4 bxa4
>>>(2.177.836) 51.1
>>> 9 ->   0:44.74 +10.43   1...Rf8 2.Bf3 Qh4 3.h3 e4 4.Kg1 exf3 5.a4 bxa4
>>>(2.316.522) 51.7
>>>best move: Ra8-f8 time: 0:44.774 min  n/s: 51.738  nodes: 2.316.522
>>>eval hash hits 14%; search/eval hash 77% / 62% filled
>>>wrong solution!
>>>right until now: 0 of 3



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