Author: Terry Presgrove
Date: 18:28:16 02/29/00
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On February 29, 2000 at 17:36:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 29, 2000 at 08:54:18, Terry Presgrove wrote: > >>On February 29, 2000 at 05:46:29, Martin wrote: >> >>>On February 28, 2000 at 22:06:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On February 28, 2000 at 21:55:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:30:28, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:25:29, Derrick Williams wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the this week in chess site, a letter is displayed by michael Adams >>>>>>>explaining the circumstances surounding the Deep blue Scandal, It appears that >>>>>>>Michael Adams is attempting to shift the blame away from himself, on to the >>>>>>>victims, which was Clearly Amir Ban and his partner Shay. I believe this only >>>>>>>adds insult to injury, Mr. Adams ought to be ashamed of himself. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is the "open letter": >>>>>>http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/adams.html >>>>> >>>>>It sounds to me like Adams was simply "caught in the middle of a bad >>>>>situation." It doesn't sound (to me) as though he had any real sort of >>>>>agenda to cause a problem... I think that the organizers simply had way too >>>>>much incompetence to let the event run smoothly... This kind of nonsense was >>>>>inevitable... >>>> >>>>I think you are right, but I think that Mr. Adams now blames Amir and Shay. A >>>>typical example of "blaming the victom" if I ever saw one. I don't think Adams >>>>is at fault either. But I do fault his derision of Amir, who was (I think) >>>>stuck in the middle far worse than anyone else -- especially considering the >>>>outcome. >>> >>>Well, it was Amir and Shay who blamed Mickey shortly after the event. And this >>>is certainly not fair either. >>> >>>Martin >> >> Perhaps you are rigtht that Adam's received to much early criticism. But the >> fact remains he could have played the second game. Mig gave him the opportunity >> to bail out and that is exactly what he did. Had it been another GM the offer >> would not have been on the table. >> It would not surprise me if we do not hear much more on this issue from the DJ >> team. There has to be a tremendous amount of pressure on them to let this die. >> Except for Dr. Hyatt's strong criticism in the non-commercial arena and one >> post by Ed Shroeder of Rebel chidding Mig for making a bad decision I am not >> aware of any commercial programmer coming to the DJ team's defense (please >> correct me it I'm wrong). It may very well be that in the long scheme of thngs >> this is the best course for those envolved in the developement of Chess >> software. But I suggest that if it had happened to any one of the others (that >> have not spoken) they would have reacted somewhat differently than we have >> seen. I understand that the GM's hold all the cards on this issue and the >> programmers are to a large degree at their mercy, but there is no gray area in >> the fact that KC (Mig) screwed the DJ team and this whole episode has left a >> very bad taste in allot of people's mouths. I suspect that this issue will >> quickly fade as we draw closer to the next matches and hopefully the end of a >> very bad episode in computer chess. >> >> TP > > >The only danger is criticizing the wrong entity. IE when two people are at >odds in the way they think things happened, there are two logical explanations: > >(1) one of them is mistaken, or intentionally distorting facts. > >(2) there is someone _between_ them that is producing the confusion. > >In this case, evidence suggests that it was the 'middleware' that failed, >for a host of reasons, from lack of forsight, to poor communication, to >flawed reasoning. As a result, the Junior team and Adams are caught on the >outside looking in. It would be easy to be wrong here. But I think the >problem was not on either end, but directly in the middle. And I am not >talking about the 'network' either. :) We will probably never know for sure what really happened. Perhaps it would even be better if in this case we never know. Your term the "middle" works pretty much for me. I do think it is time to move on and get ready for the next series of matches. One set back will not stop the momentum of history. My best wishes to Amir and Shay in the coming matches. The future belongs to he who gets up, knocks the dust off his butt and moves onward :) TP
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