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Subject: Re: Has anyone Read Michael Adams Response to the Deep Jr. Fiasco?

Author: Martin

Date: 06:13:38 03/01/00

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On February 29, 2000 at 17:36:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 29, 2000 at 08:54:18, Terry Presgrove wrote:
>
>>On February 29, 2000 at 05:46:29, Martin wrote:
>>
>>>On February 28, 2000 at 22:06:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 21:55:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:30:28, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:25:29, Derrick Williams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  At the this week in chess site, a letter is displayed by michael Adams
>>>>>>>explaining the circumstances surounding the Deep blue Scandal, It appears that
>>>>>>>Michael Adams is attempting to shift the blame away from himself, on to the
>>>>>>>victims, which was Clearly Amir Ban and his partner Shay.  I believe this only
>>>>>>>adds insult to injury, Mr. Adams ought to be ashamed of himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here is the "open letter":
>>>>>>http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/adams.html
>>>>>
>>>>>It sounds to me like Adams was simply "caught in the middle of a bad
>>>>>situation."  It doesn't sound (to me) as though he had any real sort of
>>>>>agenda to cause a problem... I think that the organizers simply had way too
>>>>>much incompetence to let the event run smoothly...  This kind of nonsense was
>>>>>inevitable...
>>>>
>>>>I think you are right, but I think that Mr. Adams now blames Amir and Shay.  A
>>>>typical example of "blaming the victom" if I ever saw one.  I don't think Adams
>>>>is at fault either.  But I do fault his derision of Amir, who was (I think)
>>>>stuck in the middle far worse than anyone else -- especially considering the
>>>>outcome.
>>>
>>>Well, it was Amir and Shay who blamed Mickey shortly after the event. And this
>>>is certainly not fair either.
>>>
>>>Martin
>>
>> Perhaps you are rigtht that Adam's received to much early criticism. But the
>> fact remains he could have played the second game. Mig gave him the opportunity
>> to bail out and that is exactly what he did. Had it been another GM the offer
>> would not have been on the table.
>> It would not surprise me if we do not hear much more on this issue from the DJ
>> team. There has to be a tremendous amount of pressure on them to let this die.
>> Except for Dr. Hyatt's strong criticism in the non-commercial arena and one
>> post by Ed Shroeder of Rebel chidding Mig for making a bad decision I am not
>> aware of any commercial programmer coming to the DJ team's defense (please
>> correct me it I'm wrong). It may very well be that in the long scheme of thngs
>> this is the best course for those envolved in the developement of Chess
>> software. But I suggest that if it had happened to any one of the others (that
>> have not spoken) they would have reacted somewhat differently than we have
>> seen. I understand that the GM's hold all the cards on this issue and the
>> programmers are to a large degree at their mercy, but there is no gray area in
>> the fact that KC (Mig) screwed the DJ team and this whole episode has left a
>> very bad taste in allot of people's mouths. I suspect that this issue will
>> quickly fade as we draw closer to the next matches and hopefully the end of a
>> very bad episode in computer chess.
>>
>>  TP
>
>
>The only danger is criticizing the wrong entity.  IE when two people are at
>odds in the way they think things happened, there are two logical explanations:
>
>(1) one of them is mistaken, or intentionally distorting facts.
>
>(2) there is someone _between_ them that is producing the confusion.
>
>In this case, evidence suggests that it was the 'middleware' that failed,
>for a host of reasons, from lack of forsight, to poor communication, to
>flawed reasoning.  As a result, the Junior team and Adams are caught on the
>outside looking in.  It would be easy to be wrong here.  But I think the
>problem was not on either end, but directly in the middle.  And I am not
>talking about the 'network' either. :)

Yes, in this case it was clearly Mig's/KC's fault. It wouldn't surprise me if
meanwhile Amir/Shay as well as Mickey Adams had the same opinion about it.
Nevertheless the question remains what to do in future events if something
similar happens...

Martin



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