Author: Martin
Date: 06:13:38 03/01/00
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On February 29, 2000 at 17:36:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 29, 2000 at 08:54:18, Terry Presgrove wrote: > >>On February 29, 2000 at 05:46:29, Martin wrote: >> >>>On February 28, 2000 at 22:06:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On February 28, 2000 at 21:55:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:30:28, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:25:29, Derrick Williams wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the this week in chess site, a letter is displayed by michael Adams >>>>>>>explaining the circumstances surounding the Deep blue Scandal, It appears that >>>>>>>Michael Adams is attempting to shift the blame away from himself, on to the >>>>>>>victims, which was Clearly Amir Ban and his partner Shay. I believe this only >>>>>>>adds insult to injury, Mr. Adams ought to be ashamed of himself. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is the "open letter": >>>>>>http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/adams.html >>>>> >>>>>It sounds to me like Adams was simply "caught in the middle of a bad >>>>>situation." It doesn't sound (to me) as though he had any real sort of >>>>>agenda to cause a problem... I think that the organizers simply had way too >>>>>much incompetence to let the event run smoothly... This kind of nonsense was >>>>>inevitable... >>>> >>>>I think you are right, but I think that Mr. Adams now blames Amir and Shay. A >>>>typical example of "blaming the victom" if I ever saw one. I don't think Adams >>>>is at fault either. But I do fault his derision of Amir, who was (I think) >>>>stuck in the middle far worse than anyone else -- especially considering the >>>>outcome. >>> >>>Well, it was Amir and Shay who blamed Mickey shortly after the event. And this >>>is certainly not fair either. >>> >>>Martin >> >> Perhaps you are rigtht that Adam's received to much early criticism. But the >> fact remains he could have played the second game. Mig gave him the opportunity >> to bail out and that is exactly what he did. Had it been another GM the offer >> would not have been on the table. >> It would not surprise me if we do not hear much more on this issue from the DJ >> team. There has to be a tremendous amount of pressure on them to let this die. >> Except for Dr. Hyatt's strong criticism in the non-commercial arena and one >> post by Ed Shroeder of Rebel chidding Mig for making a bad decision I am not >> aware of any commercial programmer coming to the DJ team's defense (please >> correct me it I'm wrong). It may very well be that in the long scheme of thngs >> this is the best course for those envolved in the developement of Chess >> software. But I suggest that if it had happened to any one of the others (that >> have not spoken) they would have reacted somewhat differently than we have >> seen. I understand that the GM's hold all the cards on this issue and the >> programmers are to a large degree at their mercy, but there is no gray area in >> the fact that KC (Mig) screwed the DJ team and this whole episode has left a >> very bad taste in allot of people's mouths. I suspect that this issue will >> quickly fade as we draw closer to the next matches and hopefully the end of a >> very bad episode in computer chess. >> >> TP > > >The only danger is criticizing the wrong entity. IE when two people are at >odds in the way they think things happened, there are two logical explanations: > >(1) one of them is mistaken, or intentionally distorting facts. > >(2) there is someone _between_ them that is producing the confusion. > >In this case, evidence suggests that it was the 'middleware' that failed, >for a host of reasons, from lack of forsight, to poor communication, to >flawed reasoning. As a result, the Junior team and Adams are caught on the >outside looking in. It would be easy to be wrong here. But I think the >problem was not on either end, but directly in the middle. And I am not >talking about the 'network' either. :) Yes, in this case it was clearly Mig's/KC's fault. It wouldn't surprise me if meanwhile Amir/Shay as well as Mickey Adams had the same opinion about it. Nevertheless the question remains what to do in future events if something similar happens... Martin
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