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Subject: Re: help needed about elo calculation

Author: Andrew Dados

Date: 10:41:46 03/01/00

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On March 01, 2000 at 06:31:01, Frank Schubert wrote:

>On February 29, 2000 at 13:20:35, Masciulli Gianluigi wrote:
>
>>On February 29, 2000 at 12:48:07, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>
>>>On February 29, 2000 at 09:52:06, Masciulli Gianluigi wrote:
>>>
>>>tscp15's 90.2% against 1700 = 2062
>>>fortress161's 96.9% against 1700 = 2232
>>>golem01's 0% against 1700 is < 1000
>>>fortress16's 58.8% against tscp15 indicates a difference with 64 points,
>>>2179-2115.
>>
>>thanks tony for your answer.
>>
>>ok ... that's the easy part but ...
>>you see you listed frotress TWICE with perf. 2232 and 2179-2115.
>>I need the global performance.
>>
>>>
>>>>One more: I'd like to have extimes about probability that performances match the
>>>>true elo on the base of games played (ssdf Like)... any matematician out there?
>>>
>>>This question I do not understand, sorry.
>>
>>I'll try to explay this better:
>>
>>if I play 1 billion game and the result between prog.A (elo ??)  and Prog.B ..
>>prog.C prog.D  (and all  have elo 2000) is esactly 50%
>>I can say that the elo of  prog A in that set of programs is almost esactly
>>2000.
>>but what about the same result after only 50 games.
>>may be there is some difference between elo and perf. in this case.
>>may be i can say, in this case that the  elo of the program A is 2000 with an
>>error margin of 50 point (in other words there is probability .9 that the true
>>elo is within the range 1950 -> 2050).
>>I want to calc the error margin.
>>I hope is clear now.
>>
>>gianluigi
>
>
>Hi,
>
>in a few days you can download my program ELOStat which was used to calculate
>the statistics of the CadaquƩs tourney (look at
>http://www.computerschach.de/tourn/frank01.htm)
>ELOStat also gives the error margins you mentioned. I will post ist here,
>when I am ready.
>
>Frank

I assume you know then the formula to calculate the error margin(s), given
probability... That is, elo = x +/- margin with probability of y%. I am looking
for function y%=F(margin,number of games,etc). Can you post it here? Thanks in
advance.

-Andrew-



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