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Subject: Re: How many Quad users at CCC?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:17:30 03/01/00

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On March 01, 2000 at 20:48:05, Pete Galati wrote:

>On March 01, 2000 at 20:22:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 01, 2000 at 14:43:39, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On March 01, 2000 at 07:37:55, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 29, 2000 at 17:32:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 29, 2000 at 11:40:46, Ed Panek wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 29, 2000 at 08:42:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 29, 2000 at 01:13:38, Georg Langrath wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I tink that you can measure the speed of a analyze in nods per second. When will
>>>>>>>>a pc be comabarable with Deep Blue with that increasing in hardware every year
>>>>>>>>that is now? I think that it must be so some time in future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Georg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not easy to answer, but I would guess that the speed of deep blue is about
>>>>>>>1,000 times faster than the fastest program of today, based on the fastest
>>>>>>>program going 1M nodes per second, while DB could peak at 1B nodes per
>>>>>>>second.  It averaged about 200M, but then it also had some complex eval stuff
>>>>>>>that would slow that 1M nps program down by a factor of 5-10 probably
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you assume 1000x, with a doubling of machine speed every year (which is
>>>>>>>very optimistic) then it will take about 10 years to catch up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>all of that analysis has lots of assumptions, however...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless there is some incredible watershed breakthrough in processor technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>True.  But I have been involved in computing since 1968, and there has been
>>>>>no "incredible watershed breakthrough in processor technology" for the past 32
>>>>>years.  Nothing suggests (to me) that one is forthcoming within the next 10+
>>>>>years.
>>>>
>>>>There are companies out there making multi-processor machines in a low cost way.
>>>>What is required is not so much a technology breakthrough, but a marketing
>>>>breakthrough. Multi-processor computers needs to become both a big market and a
>>>>competitive market.
>>>>
>>>>Pentium processors are a big and competitive market. Trouble is, I don't think
>>>>they're the best architechture to put together in large numbers on the same
>>>>motherboard.
>>>>
>>>>Hey people - lets all find good reasons to need lots of processing power, stop
>>>>buying Pentiums, standardise on a multiprocessor archtechture, and start buying
>>>>it in large numbers!
>>>>
>>>>-g
>>>
>>>Ok, you got a few extra bucks on you that we can all borrow?  Wouldn't I have a
>>>Quad Xeon if I could afford one?  My 586 is old and slow because I don't have
>>>the money to replace it, truth is I'd be thrilled to have a 350mhz computer
>>>right now.  So there is that money factor.
>>>
>>>But yeah, they don't put together large numbers of multi-processor machines
>>>because most people have no use for one, and that "most people" is what pays
>>>their bills.  Us computer Chess fans are just another flicked bugger to computer
>>>manufacturers in general, but a good specialized market.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>
>>Actually the number of dual-cpu machines is quite enormous.  I have seen
>>some eye-popping numbers quoted by MB manufacturers...  One day the quads
>>will get 'there'.
>
>I'd like to see that day.  Any idea how many quad machines are in use by members
>here at CCC?
>
>Pete


I have 9 quad xeons at my office, plus the quad p6.  :)  Bruce has one.  Amir
uses one.  I just taught an undergraduate class in parallel programming, and
out of 15 students, three had dual-processor machines.  You can put together
a good dual for 500-700 bucks.



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