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Subject: Re: Deep Junior at a loss in this position?!!

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 15:25:04 03/05/00

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On March 05, 2000 at 15:21:48, Ernst Walet wrote:

>On March 05, 2000 at 14:38:26, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>
>>Ernst, thanks for your info.
>>
>>Fritz 6a analysis confirms what I said:  some "fast searchers" have problems
>>with horizon, due to lack of position-specific knowledge, so they need the time
>>for "crunching" which lasted for more than an hour on your machine.  So far the
>>quickest way to winning has been found by Rebel and Shredder...  Interestigly
>>enough, it seems that Shredder 3 (which I have and tested) is faster than your
>>Shredder 4.  Could this mean that Stefan opted for some shortcuts and faster
>>processing in the latest edition of his program?
>>
>>***  Djordje
>
>Djordje, I´m playing around with this position and I think that Fritz6a really
>had no clue what to do.  I now even think that Fritz6a can not win this
>position, should it arise in a game.
>
>About Shredder3 can you post the analysis?  I´ve used a PIII-450, what do you
>use?
>
>Ernst.

Ernst, hello again.  I used my PII-400 under Win 2000 and here's the Shredder 3
analysis (Shredder sees the light after about 12 seconds, that is the march
towards the enemy King):


[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2000.03.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
opening book: D:\Program Files\Shredder3\shredder.lbk
endgame databases: 23


 8.01   0:00.15  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (22.970) 147.2
 8 ->   0:00.18  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (29.488) 157.6
 9.01   0:00.23  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (38.021) 162.4
 9 ->   0:00.34  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (55.434) 161.1
10.01   0:00.42  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (67.989) 161.1
10 ->   0:00.53  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (88.810) 167.2
11.01   0:00.67  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (111.113)
165.3
11 ->   0:00.87  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (147.613)
168.7
12.01   0:01.15  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (196.234)
169.7
12 ->   0:01.53  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (262.646)
171.5
13.01   0:01.84  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (314.761)
170.6
13 ->   0:02.32  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (397.573)
170.7
14.01   0:02.93  +6.34   1.Kf2 Kb8 2.Qc3 Ka7 3.Qc5+ Kb8 4.Qb6 Ka8 (500.195)
170.3
14.20   0:04.21  +6.35++ 1.Kh2 (726.510) 172.1
14.20   0:04.51  +6.35   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Qb6 Ka8 4.Kg3 Be4 (776.617)
172.0
14 ->   0:04.51  +6.35   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Qb6 Ka8 4.Kg3 Be4 (776.958)
172.0
15.01   0:06.21  +6.35   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Qb6 Ka8 4.Kg3 Be4 (1.064.485)
171.1
15 ->   0:09.23  +6.35   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Qb6 Ka8 4.Kg3 Be4 (1.591.679)
172.3
16.01   0:12.21  +6.60++ 1.Kh2 (2.088.829) 170.9
16.01   0:13.18  +6.60   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Kg3 Bd5 4.Kf4 Ba8 5.Qb6+ Kc8
6.Ke5 Bb7 7.Qd6 (2.259.886) 171.3
16 ->   0:17.70  +6.60   1.Kh2 Ka7 2.Qc5+ Kb8 3.Kg3 Bd5 4.Kf4 Ba8 5.Qb6+ Kc8
6.Ke5 Bb7 7.Qd6 (3.047.756) 172.1

***  Djordje




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