Author: stuart taylor
Date: 00:25:51 04/12/00
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On April 12, 2000 at 00:25:16, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 11, 2000 at 22:35:32, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On April 10, 2000 at 14:06:56, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 10, 2000 at 10:48:58, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>On April 09, 2000 at 21:56:22, robert blackwell wrote: >>>> >>>>>Well lads im not here for a fight. Its seems that it gets very ugly here when >>>>>someone states and opinion base on personally findings. I have played maybe 100 >>>>>games total between chess Tiger and Fritz. Tiger seems stronger.You all ask for >>>>>me to post, yet i bet you never even played over the games i posted. Game two is >>>>>a brilliant game, Tiger's ability to Activate its pieces is incredible. Also it >>>>>played themes of chess, not just try to open the position, and crash threw with >>>>>tactical shots. For instance the trapping of the knight on h4. What impressed me >>>>>is the fact tiger plays and understands the position, perhaps weak players cant >>>>>grasp this. Too bad! No one every questioned Enrique Irazoqui results. His games >>>>>showed tiger 100 elo pointa above the other programs!. Funny how we forget! >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't. I was the only or one of the few who did not follow the Tiger hype. I >>>>always wanted to SEE. Now I have seen. My opinion: >>>>Tiger is VERY strong, no doubt. As I wrote, in the same group with Shredder4, >>>>Junior6, probably Fritz6 and probably Hiarcs7.32 and Nimzo7.32, not to forget >>>>Rebel. >>>> >>>>But Tiger is NOT superior, neither a bit nor clearly. >>> >>> >>> >>>What you seem to forget is the fact that the Chess Tiger 12.0 engine has been >>>"frozen" on October 3rd, 1999, that is exactly the day it has been sent to the >>>SSDF. >>> >>>So Chess Tiger 12.0 is now six months old. Half a year. >>> >>>At the time it has been released, it was above the competition. Not by much, but >>>it was. Intensive testing by the SSDF confirmed this. >>> >>>People that have tested it AT THAT TIME, have found that it was probably the >>>strongest engine around, and they told us so. I wouldn't call this "hype". And I >>>didn't ask them to make advertisement for my engine. >>> >>>They have done what they are still doing: they have played games, found that one >>>program was apparently stronger, and they told us. >>> >>>What happened since that time? Two major chess programs have been released, and >>>updated and NOW they have been tested. >>> >>>Notice that Enrique told us that Fritz6a was above the competition as soon as he >>>had enough data. Is this hype for Fritz6a? Djordge did the same. >>> >>>It happens that the 2 newly released chess programs seem to be at the level, or >>>above, than Chess Tiger. >>> >>>What it tells us is that computer chess is in constant EVOLUTION. Since October >>>3rd 1999, things have changed. Chess Tiger has evolved too, but of course the >>>improvement has not been rated yet... >>> >>>I suspect Hiarcs has evolved too, and it will be interesting to see where the >>>new version stands. And so on... >>> >>>The fact that all the chess programmers are able to improve their programs over >>>and over again, so that no program can stay for very long "clearly above the >>>competition" still amazes me. >>> >>>Isn't it fascinating and interesting, from the user's point of view? >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>Not very fascinating and interesting, atleast not for me, but annoying. >>I would like to see a quicker evolution/or one keeping ahead for a longer time. >> Are you planning to or able to release a new version around now, which will be >>ahead of the competition now? >> I have decided that I would buy the best there is by end of May 2000, and >>stick with it through thick and thin. I decided that a long time ago-and the >>time is soon up. >> Thanks, >> S.Taylor > > > >Even if I was able today to publish a version of Chess Tiger 100 elo points >above Fritz6a, you wouldn't have the proof that it is the best program around >(by SSDF list or personal tests) until the end of may. > >So you can simply buy Fritz6a right now. And you could even stop read CCC as >well. It is not going to be funny, in a few months, to read that the program >you've just bought is now obsolete. > >It was a pleasure to meet you. Goodbye. :) > > > > Christophe I mean something which looks now like it might be ahead-after thorough testing. I'm thinking of getting about 3 of the best-which combined together will represent the best overall knowledge available in computerized chess, and then it will probably be quite some time before all that becomes below the competition anyway. I suppose what you are hinting to me is right, but I find the years are rolling by, and instead of thinking about chess itself, and other things in life, I'm still just waiting for the ideal thing. I'm not that old yet, but if I were 90, so would my biggest wish be to die waiting for a computerized world champion to pit my wits against? The same with cpus and the competition between intel and amd. If you want something which will still be good 5 years after purchase, then I think now is not the time to buy a new computer. First wait until the competition slows down, in about 2-3 years,then buy a 5000mhz "sledgehammer" of amd, and use it for many years more. But if you need it now, it's not worth putting your heart to it. I feel a bit embarrased to click the mouse and send this now. It's a bit exposing. But never mind. But I support and appreciate all your work. I'm writing my personal feelings as a consumer, and perhaps a strange one at that. regards, S.Taylor
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