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Subject: Re: Quick Poll: predict Fritz' finish at the Dutch Championship.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:29:50 04/25/00

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On April 25, 2000 at 05:06:25, Jouni Uski wrote:

>On April 24, 2000 at 18:10:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 24, 2000 at 18:02:28, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>
>>>On April 24, 2000 at 16:50:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 24, 2000 at 05:10:08, Mark Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here are the 12 entrants and their ratings.  Where will Fritz finish?
>>>>>
>>>>>J Piket 2643
>>>>>L van Wely 2646
>>>>>D Reinderman 2561
>>>>>J van der Wiel 2558
>>>>>E van den Doel 2522
>>>>>F Nijboer 2540
>>>>>D de Vreugt 2498
>>>>>M Bosboom 2461
>>>>>H Grooten 2393
>>>>>
>>>>>invited:
>>>>>S Tiviakov 2567
>>>>>P van der Sterren 2526
>>>>>Fritz SSS*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My best guess is going to be right in the middle of the pack.  The only wild-
>>>>card is that van der Sterren won't play it, and giving it an automatic 1 there
>>>>is a big plus.
>>>>
>>>>I think the interesting thing will be the last half of the games, after it has
>>>>played several good players and everyone has a chance to study it a bit...  I'd
>>>>be highly surprised to find it winning this unless this is a game/60 or game/30
>>>>type event.  I didn't see the time control...  what does it look like???  if it
>>>>is one of the faster limits I gave above, then my opinion will revise upward to
>>>>somewhere in the top 3 or so...
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>I have talked with a lot of strong players and almost each and anyone analyzes
>>>and plays with Fritz all day long. This is one of the reasons that Fritz can
>>>have a tough time against humans.
>>>
>>>Bertil
>>
>>
>>That is one problem, to be sure.  There are others, including 'endgame skill'
>>that will get it into serious trouble if the game reaches that stage...
>
>Probably not. I think Fritz6 is the best endgame player available. In my very
>hard endgame test suite Fritz6a scores incredible 43/45 (Crafty xx.xx scores
>40/45 and is second best).
>
>Jouni


In the games I have watched on ICC, Fritz doesn't understand some basic ideas
like pawn majorities.  It is pretty good at making a passed pawn and pushing it,
but it will trade into a dead lost ending without knowing it is doing so until
it is too late...

that can be serious once it is understood by humans.  I had a big hole there
and a couple of GMs discovered it and beat me like a drum until I fixed it.  It
took a while for it to become noticed, but once it was...  Fortunately another
GM spotted it and pointed it out to me as needing attention...



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