Author: Michael Cummings
Date: 17:53:28 04/27/00
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On April 27, 2000 at 16:37:53, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On April 27, 2000 at 08:05:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 27, 2000 at 05:42:34, Peter McKenzie wrote: >> >>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:52:24, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:18:17, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 03:57:00, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 02:24:25, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 25, 2000 at 16:05:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 03:31:54, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:25:40, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:24:13, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 01:53:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:30:44, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:24:07, Ernst A. Heinz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will you compete with DT anyway? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Probably not -- we have not yet found time to tune "DarkThought" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the x86 platform and I strongly doubt that we can come up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with a competitive PC version until August. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=Ernst= >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>That's bad news. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I won't be there either. It is expensive to travel to Europe every year. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Are you kidding? >>>>>>>>>>>London is a nice play to go! >>>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Of course it is a nice PLACE to go :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I am not going this year. My most significant regret is not getting to visit >>>>>>>>>with people, including you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But I'm tired of travelling huge distances and getting no travel support. The >>>>>>>>>ICCA seems to have little interest in promoting computer chess outside of >>>>>>>>>Europe, and I'm tired of being the only American competitor who attends each >>>>>>>>>event in person. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is the no travel support issue already clear? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>bruce >>>>>> >>>>>>Did you already ask for travel support for this event? >>>>>>I am afraid you won't get any, but there might be a chance. >>>>>> >>>>>>Stefan >>>>> >>>>>Hi guys! >>>>>A few weeks ago I emailed David Levy with a bunch of questions. I asked him if >>>>>there would be any travel support and he said no. Apparently the entry form is >>>>>due out in early May so we should have the full details then. >>>>> >>>>>I also asked about the rule requiring the program's author to be present and was >>>>>told that this rule will be strictly enforced this time. All in all I'm not >>>>>optimistic that I'll have a program competing, but you never know... >>>>> >>>>>cheers, >>>>>Peter >>>> >>>>What a pity. That means Rebel and Tiger can't compete. What is wrong with >>>>a representative? >>> >>>I guess traditionally the tournament has been a meeting place for the >>>programmers, and the organisers are trying to somehow enforce this by having the >>>rule that the author must attend. I personally think this is a dubious reason >>>for the rule. I'd rather have a program competing and operated by someone >>>nominated by the author than the alternative of the program not competing at >>>all. >>> >>>> >>>>Ed >> >> >>This is what I call a 'classic knee-jerk reaction' that is based on good >>intentions, but which is flawed in practice. If the effect is to drive down >>participation, rather than drive up author attendance, then the concept is >>flawed. This obviously is the case. >> >>someone isn't thinking... > >I don't like spending lots of money going to these in order to meet your latest >representative, Bob. > >Your situation is more difficult than most, admittedly, since you can't drop out >of the middle of a term. And you are present in other ways, like for instance >here. > >But there are others who seem to be "too busy" to go, and that's no fun for >those of us who consistently make various sacrifices in order to go. > >bruce I do not understand then what you want out of a tournament like this. Do you want the best program, or do you want it only to be a place where you can meet fellow programmers and play a few games of chess. If for instance three top programs are not there, well I would find if I won the thing to feel a bit hollow. Would it not be great if all the programs that are considdered up amoung the strongest to have a chance to play against the rest. Personally I took a look at the past Dutch Computer Chess Championships, and even though I see that one of my favorite engines, the King Engine has done pretty well for a number of years now, I looked at the other programs and then said to myself, "Well look at who else is there", and thought, "So what". There were programs I have never heard of, and the ones I did, looking at other tournaments were always pretty average. Which then did not impress me greatly, and now considering who has played in the dutch tournament for the past 10 or so year, I will only take a passing interest in the result, nothing more. By the way WMCC 2000 would be going, that will be pretty avarage too, in my view that is. To me this is just another excuse like how the SSDF justifies not being able to play all the commercial top programs. At least I think most programmers would be in a position to get their programs their even if they were not able to attend. Whats the big deal having another person there, its a program, and if anything had to be fixed, the programmer is only a phone call or internet call away. I just do not see the logic in the reasoning.
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