Author: Mogens Larsen
Date: 08:39:20 05/08/00
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On May 08, 2000 at 08:17:54, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >And chess is only a game, man made like computers. I fail to see the relevance >of your artificial/natural distinction. Maybe it isn't relevant, but it's true nonetheless. >A chess program that plays chess = chess player. Again, I fail to see your >point. That's not an argument. If you can't fly and a stone can't fly, then you must be a stone. Does that make sense? I don't think so. Playing chess is also a cognitive process. If a computer was capable of speech it wouldn't be able to explain its moves or tell you about the rules of chess. Calling a computer program for a chess player is nothing but a semantic trick. >Mass storage is part of computers, as much as chips. Limiting access to mass >storage (e.g. tablebases)is as much of an artifice as limiting processing power. AFAIK you're not allowed to use opening books or databases of any kind playing chess. Mass storage isn't an exception to the rule. If you want to play so called advanced chess, then it's something different of course. I guess opening books are okay, otherwise the human opponent might start laughing and be forfeited :o). >Unfairly by which standards? Limiting computers is not fairer than limiting >humans. We have two kinds of chess players that use different means. Limiting >these means in one case in order to make it equal to the other is unfair, unreal >and would end up giving distorted results. Once you supress one, only one of >these means, for instance tablebases, there is no limit to further limitations >in computer power. We are not talking about a measurement of computer- vs. human power, but whether it is possible to create a chess program that is capable of winning a chess game on even terms. So it's the capabilities of the program that should be improved, not shortcuts and omissions. IMHO if a chess program is capable of winning against any human without the aid of anything but a single processor computer, that is commercially available, without databases of any kind installed, then you can talk about a capable chess program. But that's only my opinion. Sincerely, Mogens
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