Author: Jeroen Noomen
Date: 07:50:21 11/02/97
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On October 31, 1997 at 04:32:00, Bas Hamstra wrote: Dear Bas, Of course I don't imply the WMCCC is worthless because Hiarcs, Rebel, The King and Genius are not participating. What concerns me, are the following facts: 1. Since years there is no interest of chess enthousiasts at all for the WMCCC. 2. Also the media are not present, which means that such championships cannot be in the interest of sponsors. 3. Conditions are not equal: Pro's have to pay an entree fee. Why is this? Imagine the FIDE would say 'Dear Garry, Anatoli, Vladimir, you can take part in this year's World Championships if you bring $ 10.000 each, otherwise forget it'. Isn't this ridiculous? Should not the ICCA try to have the best programs in the WMCCC? And who determines what is a professional? I think conditions should be equal, so everybody pays an entry fee, or nobody pays it. 4. In Paris it was almost impossible to attend to the WMCCC, because one needs a special pass, it seems. Isn't this crazy? 5. In the past years the ICCA only seems to be concerned that there should be a WMCCC, not bothering about the place, the conditions and the organisation. Why, is it because of the money? If there are so many troubles, skip the WMCCC until there is a right place, a good sponsor and a good organisation! 6. The providing of decent information has been very, very bad. Thanks to the efforts of people like Ingo, Thorsten and Chris we have been able to get results, but such a thing should be the concern of the organisers, of course. Let one thing be sure: I am absolutely convinced the organizers in Paris have done their utmost best to let everything happen. No question about that. But if the organisation of the WMCCC will not change, there will always be a complete lack of interest amongst sponsors, media, chess players and last but not least, the programmers. So I definitely think a lot has to be changed. This way these kind of tournaments are really worth zero, I cannot come to another conclusion! Best regards, Jeroen >Jeroen I agree with your criticism on the bad organization of the event. >But don't say the tournament is worthless just because Rebel and Hiarcs >are not there. Last time Rebel didn't show up because of cookbooks. Now >it is the bad organization. What will be the reason next time? The field >is strong, don't try to suggest otherwise, and show some respect for the >briljant programmers who DARE to compete. Mchess has a comfortable >position at SSDF too and does *not* play hide and seek. > >About your lottery comment: I agree partially and I have some questions >about that to all. > >1) In the current tournament, with the current number of rounds, what >would be the probability that the best program wins the tournament? > >2) Could someone post a table that expresses the relationship between >number of rounds and the probability that the best program wins? > >I agree with Jeroen that increasing confidence level would increase >tournament status. > > >Regards, >Bas Hamstra. > > >PS: Jeroen, will Rebel and The King play in the Dutch championship? > > >>>This was annunced by ICCA. Visitors must have been registered before. >>>Chess tournaments don't interest many people. Not only in France, I >>>guess. >>>Do participants prefer ten persons watching and speaking behind them >>>during all the game? >>>Sure it would be a scandal too. >> >>Try to visit a tournament in Holland. F.e. the AEGON Tournament, Fontys >>or Wijk aan Zee. At one day there are more visitors than during ALL >>WMCCC's the last 5 years. Or should we held chess tournaments on desert >>islands just to make sure nobody's disturbing anybody??? Really, I don't >>know what you're pointing at. >>> >>>>* The tournament room is beautiful, but the air is very sticky, >>> >>>Bring a spray of perfume, poor boy. >> >> >>Have you ever played a game of 4 hours? Or better: two games lasting >>8 hours in total (which is more likely here)? Then you might know why >>a good airconditioning is essential in chess tournaments. Kasparov and >>Karpov wouldn't play a game under such circumstances. >> >> >>> >>>> and the tournament results are written by hand on a small piece >>>> of paper which is stuck to the wall! As a consolation you can >>>> watch the ups and downs of the share prices from the gallery! >>> >>>Results are written by hand during the round, when each game is >>>finished. >>>So you have instant-information. Do you want a complete live report by >>>CNN? >>>When the round is over, all participants are given the complete list of >>>games in PGN format, >>>and the rank of programs, printed by a computer-printer, yes! >> >> >>Paper written?? Are we in the 1960's or the 1990's???? Besides, as an >>internet user it will not help me very much, those handwritten results, >>will it? Really, this tournament's worth is zero, a lottery of 34 >>programs with a worldtitle at stake that has no value. And also a >>tournament without 4 of the best programs (Rebel, Hiarcs, The King >>and Genius). Imagine a WC Chess without Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik and >>Anand: pretty useless, isn't it? >> >> >>Best regards, Jeroen Noomen
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