Author: Chris Carson
Date: 10:05:50 11/03/97
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Chris, Sorry, I did not mean to say that you (or anyone else) in particular was doing this. It was just a possibility in my opinion. I do not think Bob/Crafty need defending! I think Bob has done a great job with Crafty, as much talk and correspondance as we have on this just shows how much we all think of both Bob and Crafty! :) BTW. Congrads on how well CSTal did this year! :) Best Regards, Chris Carson On November 03, 1997 at 12:07:54, Chris Whittington wrote: > >On November 03, 1997 at 11:31:37, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On November 03, 1997 at 10:42:37, Howard Exner wrote: >> >>>I think one disadvantage Crafty may have is that it is >>>so easily available to everyone. There is no mystery about >>>its playing style, strengths and weaknesses. >>> >>>Here are some observations to support this theory. Note just a few >>>recent examples of programmer secrecy such as in Deep Blue for one and >>>the withholding of games from the French Championship a few >>>weeks ago as another. Secrecy in chess is commonplace for all chess >>>players. Also,I wonder how many programmers have now included opening >>>preperation against Crafty's ingenious forth move in the Ruy Lopez >>>(B-c4 instead of the common B-a4) that was seen about a year ago? >>> >>>How might Crafty fare in two years from now if Bob took a 2 year >>>break from releasing Crafty to the masses? >>>Call it "Hyatt's Hiatus" (say that quickly 3 times in a row). >> >>I agree with you and with Chris W. (in a different post). I >>think Bob has done a great job with Crafty! :) I also think >>that with the popularity and ease to get source/opening book/ >>learning.dat information, most programers use Crafty as a >>testbed anyway. This means that they spare with Crafty all >>the time and improve as a result (Crafty gets a lot of play >>with the others on the servers, but not with the latest/well >>prepared versions). > >Crafty may play against the other programs on the servers but these are >not programs operated by anybody connected with his competitors. They >are just people who have bought the programs. > >I don't accept that there is heavy tuning or training games played >against Crafty. Most training will be against the usual commercially >available programs and done via automated interface. Genius, Mchess, >Hiarcs, Rebel, Fritz etc. Not Crafty. For example, I've never played one >game here against Crafty, Thorsten has domn a few, but these were for >himelf, and the games and/or conclusions never got passed to me. > >Its just not true that Crafty gets used as a testbad; maybe by some >relatively unknown amateur programs, but certainly not by the major >programs - their opposition is not Crafty. > >If you need to try and generate an excuse, anti-Crafty tuning is not >going to be it. > > >> Not sure how Bob can fight back? Something >>we should all think about this year and perhaps help out with >>(perhaps a three month blanket period for Bob/Crafty to prepare?) > >Bob needs new concepts and ideas, mainly in the search. His evaluation >function is probably ok, given that he wants to stay as a fast program, >massive evaluation additions are not feasible. Its the search. His ideas >are behind the other fast programs. Simply getting speed by 64 bit stuff >obviously isn't enough, its algorithmic search improvements that he >needs. > >Chris Whittington > >> >>I thought Crafty did extremly well considering the competition >>and the fact that Crafty is a no secret project! :) >> >>Best Regards, >>Chris Carson
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