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Subject: Re: Dr. Hyatt is right about chess programs not being GM level.

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 09:24:07 07/01/00

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On July 01, 2000 at 12:01:03, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On July 01, 2000 at 11:47:50, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>
>>>I guess that we are not going to have in 5-7 years 8 pieces tablebases.
>>>
>>>I guess that we will even not have the complete 7 pieces tablebases in 5-7
>>>years.
>>>
>>>calculating the 5 piece tablebases can take at least some weeks and maybe more
>>>than a month in the hardare of today(calculating only one 5 piece simple
>>>tablebase with no pawns like KQR vs KR takes few hours on my pentiumIII450 and
>>>there are many tablebases to calculate when most of them takes more time).
>>>
>>>calculating all the 6 piece tablesbases will take more time in the hardware of
>>>2007 without parallel search(I assume that computers are twice faster every 18
>>>monthes so computers will be less than 30 times faster).
>>>
>>>parallel search can help but I do not believe it will be enough to generate all
>>>the 7 piece tablebases in 2007.
>>>
>>>There is also a problem of memory and I do not believe that there will be enough
>>>memory for the 8 piece tablebases in 2007
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Uri,
>>
>>You may be correct sir.  We have eight to ten piece tablebases in checkers now
>>but there is a big jump in complexity between chess and checkers.  Chinook, the
>>world champion checker computer system beats all but the top ten checker players
>>in the world and then it usually draws them.  Pretty hard to beat a machine that
>>says "I win in 100 moves" when you both have three pieces left and the position
>>"looks" equal.
>>
>>It is just a matter of a few years before no human will beat the computers at
>>chess. It is sure a bunch of fun getting there.  When we get there I am sure
>>that we will have more exciting things to do with our computers.
>>
>>Tim Frohlick
>
When we get there then the top 10 players on the planet will be training with
that particular chess software, and computers will become the best trainer for a
human Chess Championship. Also computers will have a greater use by 100% of the
chess players on the planet, instead of just 98%.

Pichard.
>Chinook is better at checkers than anything else on the planet -- by a wide
>margin.
>
>Dave



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