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Subject: Re: Dr. Hyatt is right about chess programs not being GM level.

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 09:01:03 07/01/00

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On July 01, 2000 at 11:47:50, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:

>>I guess that we are not going to have in 5-7 years 8 pieces tablebases.
>>
>>I guess that we will even not have the complete 7 pieces tablebases in 5-7
>>years.
>>
>>calculating the 5 piece tablebases can take at least some weeks and maybe more
>>than a month in the hardare of today(calculating only one 5 piece simple
>>tablebase with no pawns like KQR vs KR takes few hours on my pentiumIII450 and
>>there are many tablebases to calculate when most of them takes more time).
>>
>>calculating all the 6 piece tablesbases will take more time in the hardware of
>>2007 without parallel search(I assume that computers are twice faster every 18
>>monthes so computers will be less than 30 times faster).
>>
>>parallel search can help but I do not believe it will be enough to generate all
>>the 7 piece tablebases in 2007.
>>
>>There is also a problem of memory and I do not believe that there will be enough
>>memory for the 8 piece tablebases in 2007
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Uri,
>
>You may be correct sir.  We have eight to ten piece tablebases in checkers now
>but there is a big jump in complexity between chess and checkers.  Chinook, the
>world champion checker computer system beats all but the top ten checker players
>in the world and then it usually draws them.  Pretty hard to beat a machine that
>says "I win in 100 moves" when you both have three pieces left and the position
>"looks" equal.
>
>It is just a matter of a few years before no human will beat the computers at
>chess. It is sure a bunch of fun getting there.  When we get there I am sure
>that we will have more exciting things to do with our computers.
>
>Tim Frohlick

Chinook is better at checkers than anything else on the planet -- by a wide
margin.

Dave



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