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Subject: Re: Moderate Bean Counting

Author: Chris Whittington

Date: 03:22:23 07/03/00

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On July 03, 2000 at 03:12:22, KarinsDad wrote:

>On July 02, 2000 at 15:31:25, Chris Whittington wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>But clearly there is little shared agreement on how to 'fix' problems, such as
>>>>those exampled by the Gerber-Hyatt threads. Are they 'unfixable'?
>>>
>>>
>>>I think you first have to determine if there is a problem before you should fix
>>>it. From what I have read, there are 3 or 4 people who tend to complain about
>>>the moderators and during any given flap, it tends to be the same 3 or 4 people.
>>>
>>>Examples such as the Gerber-Hyatt threads indicate a few people who appear to be
>>>discussing an on topic subject. The perceived problem was that they beat the
>>>topic into the ground (I'm right. No, I'm right) without adding a whole lot of
>>>new information and they threw some insults in for good measure. The first is
>>>not against the charter, just annoying. The second is against the charter and
>>>the moderators stepped in.
>>
>>
>>Sorry, I don't understand this. I thought the moderator said that Gerber was
>>banned (temporarily) because he resisted proving his identity. I thought from
>>this that if he did show his identity his posting status would be restored. I
>>further took it that if he 'admitted' to being "Rolf", then he would also be
>>allowed to post.
>>
>>Also I didn't note any insults from Gerber. he seemed to be going out of his way
>>to be as un-insulting as possible. Perhaps he was insulting and I missed it. I
>>understand that if he personally insulted a member then according to the charter
>>he could be banned.
>>
>>Was he insulting? Can you direct me to the particular post?
>>
>>Chris Whittington
>
>I cannot direct you to a particular post since for the most part, Gerber posted
>fine (with the exception of the few times he rambled to the point that I could
>not understand what he was saying at all). He did have a few posts early on
>where he indicated that people here on the forum have no problem with attacks
>against chess players, but get quite annoyed when chess programmers are
>attacked. He considered it a double standard. I found that particular line of
>reasoning mildly insulting since he generalized that the majority of people here
>find this acceptable behavior based on a few scattered examples.
>
>In fact, I posted a response where I quoted from several of his posts, but my
>post was deleted by the moderators since I posted it after a moderator asked
>that everyone stop posting to that thread. Since his posts on that topic were
>about two weeks ago, I'm sure it is in the June archives, but I am not taking
>out the time to search for them.
>
>Overall, I found his arguments non-persuasive, but usually well thought out and
>not insulting (although he was good at baiting people, but that is part of the
>process of debate, some might call it trolling in his case). It did sort of
>bother me that instead of going to the moderators with his complaints about
>Robert (which I considered basically justified), he started a big flap here on
>the forum. That was not insulting, but rather a type of public counterattack
>against Robert (attempting to have the entire forum perform the job of moderator
>without going to the moderators first) which accomplished it's goal of pulling
>out the pro/con moderator people and creating a big mess. Kind of like the FBI
>took out Al Capone on an unrelated charge, I was not surprised that he was
>temporarily suspended.
>
>KarinsDad :)

Thank you for the clarification. Can I remind you of what you posted previously,
and which was what I was asking you about:

>>>Examples such as the Gerber-Hyatt threads indicate a few people who appear to be
>>>discussing an on topic subject. The perceived problem was that they beat the
>>>topic into the ground (I'm right. No, I'm right) without adding a whole lot of
>>>new information and they threw some insults in for good measure. The first is
>>>not against the charter, just annoying. The second is against the charter and
>>>the moderators stepped in.
>>




"Gerber posted
>fine (with the exception of the few times he rambled to the point that I could
>not understand what he was saying at all)."

"Overall, I found his [Gerber's] arguments non-persuasive, but usually well
thought out and
>not insulting"

"They threw some insults in for good measure .... [this] is against the charter
and
>>>the moderators stepped in."

I must admit to being confused by your posts. And I think it is important to be
fair to persons who are unable to defend themselves. Just who exactly was
"throwing insults"?


Chris Whittington








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