Author: Mark Young
Date: 21:38:21 07/08/00
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On July 09, 2000 at 00:26:22, blass uri wrote: >On July 09, 2000 at 00:06:46, Mark Young wrote: > >>On July 08, 2000 at 23:40:38, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On July 08, 2000 at 17:52:56, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On July 08, 2000 at 17:19:59, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 08, 2000 at 12:46:08, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 08, 2000 at 12:41:36, Peter Kappler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Huebner resigned before making his 20th move in this position: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[D]r4rk1/p1nqbppp/1pn1p3/P1PpP3/8/BPPQ1N2/3N1PPP/R3R2K b - - 0 20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>20... bxc5 21. Ne4 seems like a logical continuation. I spent a few minutes >>>>>>>fiddling with this line in Hiarcs and Fritz, but couldn't find anything that >>>>>>>merits a resignation by Black. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>Are you sure that black resigned in this position? >>>>>> >>>>>>I will believe it only if one of the players say it(Amir is representing >>>>>>Junior) >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Ok, I will confirm it. >>>>> >>>>>Briefly, Huebner resigned because he believed he lost a pawn for nothing (Qd7 >>>>>?). That view is too pessimistic, as black can get the pawn back, but analysis >>>>>by Khalifman and Alterman shows that then white gets a crushing attack. The >>>>>details should be on the ChessBase and KC sites soon. >>>> >>>>If Huebner position is going to get crushed, then he may have been correct in >>>>resigning. >>> >>>No >>>The question is if Deep Junior could find the right moves to win the game. >>>Junior could not win with a pawn advantage in the first game so resigning only >>>because you think that you lose a pawn is a bad behaviour. >>> >>>I also want to know if Junior could find the right moves to get the crushing >>>attack in the analysis by khalifman and alterman. >>> >>> >>>> Has Huebner said anything about the position other then resigning? >>>> >>>>1 1/2 points out of 2 games so far, this must be a surprise to many at CCC >>>>playing at this time control against the worlds best players. >>> >>>Yes. >>>It is a surprise that the top players do stupid blunders that even 1600 players >>>usually avoid(b4? in the first game and resigning in the second game). >> >>It is my understading that b4?! was not a stupid blunder, it was just refuted by >>Junior 6 with the move Nb8! any other move gives white a good game for the pawn. >>It seems that human selective search also has some weaknesses. >> >>Huebner did resign too soon, without a doubt, but this is chess, and judement is >>part of a players elo rating. It does not matter if Junior 6 could find the >>attack or not. What counts is that Huebner thought he had a lost position >>against Junior 6. >> >>I hope you are not saying by your last comment that Juniors 6 success so far in >>this tournament is some sort of dumb luck... Junior is playing solid chess, and >>not giving the players any easy outs, as we seen in the Rebel - GM games. It >>will be interesting to see if Junior 6's soild play continues. > >Junior6 is playing well but the problem is that Huebner did not want to play >against it. > >My opinion is that even being a pawn down is not a good reason to resign in >chess and even kasparov can blunder with 2 pawns advantage(I remember a game of >him against short when short missed a draw after being a 2 pawns down). > >Do you know about other games of Huebner against humans when he resigned only >because of being a pawn down in the opening? I don't know Huebner's games that well, but I know of other grandmasters that have resigned in much better positions then what Huebner had in his game with Junior 6. I don't believe for one second that Huebner resigned his games as some sort of protest. You don't do a post mortem on a game you just gave away in protest. > >Uri
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