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Subject: Re: Deep Junior has proved that Hardware is way Over-rated

Author: blass uri

Date: 15:02:36 07/18/00

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On July 18, 2000 at 17:45:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 18, 2000 at 14:08:15, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On July 18, 2000 at 13:39:01, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I doubt if DeepBlue with all it's billions of calculations per second could
>>>score much better than DeepJunior at Dortmund. Seem it is a bad day for the
>>>Advocates of "Hardware is everything" Theory. Deepblue could probally Easily
>>>Defeat DeepJr in a Match, but against humans the story is different. I hope
>>>programmers Continue to Develope Software and not sit back lazily waiting for
>>>Hardware to do all the work.
>>
>>There is a disagreement about this question.
>>The programmer of Deep Junior believe that Deep Junior can beat Deeper blue in a
>>match.
>>
>>I simply do not know.
>>There is no clear evidence to say.
>>
>>The programmers of Deeper blue claim to see 17 plies brute force but I am not
>>sure if to believe it.
>>
>>I do not say that they lie but there may be bugs in Deeper blue that Hsu does
>>not know about.
>>
>>I also do not know if the extensions of Deeper blue are better than the
>>extensions of other programs so it is possible that other programs can outsearch
>>them.
>>
>>I do not know about a move that proves their tactical superiority in the games
>>against kasparov.
>>
>>I can be convinced that they are better in tactics if someone show me good moves
>>of Deeper blue from games that other program need many hours to find.
>>
>>I am interested in games and not in test positions like the nolot test.
>>
>>Unfortunately they did all their tests secret before the match against kasparov
>>so we cannot know.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>What about the Nolot positions.  DT was far and away better than everyone else
>at those.  And it was a tiny fraction of Deep Blue.  I have heard some of their
>Nolot times...  I won't bring them up since I don't have any output.  Suffice
>it to say they do most in a tournament time control limit.  Anyone care to try
>that???

See the sentence in the post you answered:
I am interested in games and not in test positions like the nolot test.

I did not see impressive tactical moves of Deeper blue or deep thought that
usually programs have problems to find in games.


Uri



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