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Subject: Re: Deep Junior has proved that Hardware is way Over-rated

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:45:00 07/18/00

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On July 18, 2000 at 14:08:15, blass uri wrote:

>On July 18, 2000 at 13:39:01, Jerry Adams wrote:
>
>>
>> I doubt if DeepBlue with all it's billions of calculations per second could
>>score much better than DeepJunior at Dortmund. Seem it is a bad day for the
>>Advocates of "Hardware is everything" Theory. Deepblue could probally Easily
>>Defeat DeepJr in a Match, but against humans the story is different. I hope
>>programmers Continue to Develope Software and not sit back lazily waiting for
>>Hardware to do all the work.
>
>There is a disagreement about this question.
>The programmer of Deep Junior believe that Deep Junior can beat Deeper blue in a
>match.
>
>I simply do not know.
>There is no clear evidence to say.
>
>The programmers of Deeper blue claim to see 17 plies brute force but I am not
>sure if to believe it.
>
>I do not say that they lie but there may be bugs in Deeper blue that Hsu does
>not know about.
>
>I also do not know if the extensions of Deeper blue are better than the
>extensions of other programs so it is possible that other programs can outsearch
>them.
>
>I do not know about a move that proves their tactical superiority in the games
>against kasparov.
>
>I can be convinced that they are better in tactics if someone show me good moves
>of Deeper blue from games that other program need many hours to find.
>
>I am interested in games and not in test positions like the nolot test.
>
>Unfortunately they did all their tests secret before the match against kasparov
>so we cannot know.
>
>Uri


What about the Nolot positions.  DT was far and away better than everyone else
at those.  And it was a tiny fraction of Deep Blue.  I have heard some of their
Nolot times...  I won't bring them up since I don't have any output.  Suffice
it to say they do most in a tournament time control limit.  Anyone care to try
that???



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