Author: walter irvin
Date: 11:18:09 07/20/00
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On July 19, 2000 at 15:43:56, Amir Ban wrote: >On July 18, 2000 at 18:53:39, Jerry Adams wrote: > >>On July 18, 2000 at 18:14:51, Rajen Gupta wrote: >> >>>On July 18, 2000 at 13:39:01, Jerry Adams wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I doubt if DeepBlue with all it's billions of calculations per second could >>>>score much better than DeepJunior at Dortmund. Seem it is a bad day for the >>>>Advocates of "Hardware is everything" Theory. Deepblue could probally Easily >>>>Defeat DeepJr in a Match, but against humans the story is different. I hope >>>>programmers Continue to Develope Software and not sit back lazily waiting for >>>>Hardware to do all the work. >>> >>>Hi jerry:you obviously have got the gist of your message mixed up:it is >>>essentially hardware that is powering junior to such great levels; just as it >>>was the deeper blue 2 with 3-4 times as powerful hardware as db 1 which finally >>>manged to thrash kasparov. >>> >>>you don't really believe that junior 6 on a single pentium 600 with 64 megs of >>>ram would have gone anywhere do you? >>> >>>rajen gupta >> >> Well Actually, Yes I do!! If you look at the Rebel Grandmaster challenge >>series you will notice that not only Did Rebel Draw 2750 rated annand but it >>also defeated two very strong grandmasters! The Annand game was on K62-450 >>hardware, the others on k63-600. I am not sure that We know exactly How much >>Programs actually gain from hardware increases when matched against humans. I >>think it is pretty well established that they gain ,no one knows exactly how >>well junior6 would have performed on a pent600. I noticed on my pentIII600 >>Junior 6 found a significant amount of the moves from dortmund that Deepjr >>Played, and this was achieved within Standard tournament time controls. My >>opinion is that even the most Knowledable Computer Chess Scientist can only >>guess, when it comes to Elo ratings of computers, how much Hardware means, ect, >>etc, I think there are alot of unknowns in computer chess, Which makes it so >>incredibly interesting. > >Strangely enough, there were several times at Dortmund that I wished I played on >my notebook (Celeron 400) and not on the Primergy server. At times, it appeared >to think too much. > >Examples: Against Piket, Junior picks 9.Bh6 immediately, and everyone around >with a notebook saw that. It takes 8 processors and tournament time controls for >it to play the smart-aleck 9.Bg5. > >In the same game, when 31.Qd1 was played, every Junior notebook was showing f4, >and of course the right thing psychologically is to play f4 and hope for the >best. > >Against Khalifman, 19.Qd4 appeared at extreme depth, when until then 19.Qc4 was >steadily counted as best. In retrospect, obviously Qc4 is better (it avoids the >queen exchange, and there's the threat of c3 (or a3) too). > >The big hardware had its merits of course, and I'm sure the balance is positive. >But it's a two-edged sword, and it may all boil down to luck. > >Amir i have some new ideas for junior , that will be a mini break thru . email if you are interested ??
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