Author: Amir Ban
Date: 17:42:02 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 14:18:09, walter irvin wrote: >On July 19, 2000 at 15:43:56, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On July 18, 2000 at 18:53:39, Jerry Adams wrote: >> >>>On July 18, 2000 at 18:14:51, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>> >>>>On July 18, 2000 at 13:39:01, Jerry Adams wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I doubt if DeepBlue with all it's billions of calculations per second could >>>>>score much better than DeepJunior at Dortmund. Seem it is a bad day for the >>>>>Advocates of "Hardware is everything" Theory. Deepblue could probally Easily >>>>>Defeat DeepJr in a Match, but against humans the story is different. I hope >>>>>programmers Continue to Develope Software and not sit back lazily waiting for >>>>>Hardware to do all the work. >>>> >>>>Hi jerry:you obviously have got the gist of your message mixed up:it is >>>>essentially hardware that is powering junior to such great levels; just as it >>>>was the deeper blue 2 with 3-4 times as powerful hardware as db 1 which finally >>>>manged to thrash kasparov. >>>> >>>>you don't really believe that junior 6 on a single pentium 600 with 64 megs of >>>>ram would have gone anywhere do you? >>>> >>>>rajen gupta >>> >>> Well Actually, Yes I do!! If you look at the Rebel Grandmaster challenge >>>series you will notice that not only Did Rebel Draw 2750 rated annand but it >>>also defeated two very strong grandmasters! The Annand game was on K62-450 >>>hardware, the others on k63-600. I am not sure that We know exactly How much >>>Programs actually gain from hardware increases when matched against humans. I >>>think it is pretty well established that they gain ,no one knows exactly how >>>well junior6 would have performed on a pent600. I noticed on my pentIII600 >>>Junior 6 found a significant amount of the moves from dortmund that Deepjr >>>Played, and this was achieved within Standard tournament time controls. My >>>opinion is that even the most Knowledable Computer Chess Scientist can only >>>guess, when it comes to Elo ratings of computers, how much Hardware means, ect, >>>etc, I think there are alot of unknowns in computer chess, Which makes it so >>>incredibly interesting. >> >>Strangely enough, there were several times at Dortmund that I wished I played on >>my notebook (Celeron 400) and not on the Primergy server. At times, it appeared >>to think too much. >> >>Examples: Against Piket, Junior picks 9.Bh6 immediately, and everyone around >>with a notebook saw that. It takes 8 processors and tournament time controls for >>it to play the smart-aleck 9.Bg5. >> >>In the same game, when 31.Qd1 was played, every Junior notebook was showing f4, >>and of course the right thing psychologically is to play f4 and hope for the >>best. >> >>Against Khalifman, 19.Qd4 appeared at extreme depth, when until then 19.Qc4 was >>steadily counted as best. In retrospect, obviously Qc4 is better (it avoids the >>queen exchange, and there's the threat of c3 (or a3) too). >> >>The big hardware had its merits of course, and I'm sure the balance is positive. >>But it's a two-edged sword, and it may all boil down to luck. >> >>Amir > >i have some new ideas for junior , that will be a mini break thru . email if you >are interested ?? Sure, but why not share it here with everyone ? Amir
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