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Subject: Re: Kasparov played much worse than usual, According to de Firmian !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:28:22 07/21/00

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On July 21, 2000 at 03:11:57, blass uri wrote:

>On July 20, 2000 at 21:32:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 20, 2000 at 05:25:12, Graham Laight wrote:
>>
>>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the
>>>>>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories
>>>>>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov
>>>>>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would
>>>>>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he
>>>>>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue
>>>>>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which
>>>>>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the
>>>>>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs
>>>>>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4  Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4  21.Qe2 Qd8  22.b4 Qc7  23.Rec1 c4
>>>>>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8  25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov
>>>>>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially  where Nick de
>>>>>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the
>>>>>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have
>>>>>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without
>>>>>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans
>>>>>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer
>>>>>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian.  The IBM team had a huge
>>>>>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not.  97 DB had the advantage of
>>>>>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare
>>>>>>>>with.  If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is
>>>>>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion).  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ.  Played toe to toe with
>>>>>>>>the top GM's!  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final
>>>>>>>game against DB.  It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather
>>>>>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have
>>>>>>>avoided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an
>>>>>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not a well known trap.
>>>>>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that
>>>>>>black is winning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his
>>>>>ability in this match.  Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or
>>>>>whatever; the result is the same.  I have often wondered if a player like
>>>>>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better
>>>>>against Deep Blue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Victor
>>>>
>>>>He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against
>>>>deeper blue in the all macth.
>>>>
>>>>Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the
>>>>fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame.
>>>>
>>>>Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the
>>>>history.
>>>>
>>>>I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers.
>>>>It may be the opposite.
>>>
>>>What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a
>>>positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers.
>>>
>>>-g
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>There are many.  Shirov is difficult.  A fresh Karpov is hell on wheels against
>>computers (I don't know why so many think he is weak, I have seen him in action
>>and he is a real thorn).
>
>I saw a game of karpov when he won deep thought only because of a blunder of
>deep thought in a drawn rook endgame.
>
>I read also that he drew twice against old Rebel in 30 minutes/game when other
>players have the same results against better programs in the same time
>control(new Fritz got only 50% in fast chess against some of the top
>players(kramnik,leko,anand...))
>
>Uri


I am basing my comment on games _I_ saw myself, on a chess server.  He was
calm, relaxed, and utterly deadly.  And the thing that most impressed me about
Karpov was that he was _not_ afraid of tactics, and proved himself to be just
as strong there as in his old "grind them down into an endgame and win" playing
methodology...  :)

It all depends on the incentive with older GM players.  And how they feel.  And
how recently they have played actively.  I would _never_ write him off in a game
vs a computer or a human...




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