Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:28:22 07/21/00
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On July 21, 2000 at 03:11:57, blass uri wrote: >On July 20, 2000 at 21:32:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 20, 2000 at 05:25:12, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the >>>>>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories >>>>>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov >>>>>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would >>>>>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he >>>>>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue >>>>>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which >>>>>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the >>>>>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs >>>>>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4 Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4 21.Qe2 Qd8 22.b4 Qc7 23.Rec1 c4 >>>>>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8 25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov >>>>>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially where Nick de >>>>>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the >>>>>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have >>>>>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without >>>>>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans >>>>>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer >>>>>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian. The IBM team had a huge >>>>>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not. 97 DB had the advantage of >>>>>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare >>>>>>>>with. If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is >>>>>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion). :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ. Played toe to toe with >>>>>>>>the top GM's! :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>>>Chris Carson >>>>>>> >>>>>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final >>>>>>>game against DB. It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather >>>>>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have >>>>>>>avoided. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Brett >>>>>> >>>>>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an >>>>>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is not a well known trap. >>>>>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that >>>>>>black is winning. >>>>>> >>>>>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his >>>>>ability in this match. Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or >>>>>whatever; the result is the same. I have often wondered if a player like >>>>>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better >>>>>against Deep Blue. >>>>> >>>>>Victor >>>> >>>>He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against >>>>deeper blue in the all macth. >>>> >>>>Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the >>>>fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame. >>>> >>>>Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the >>>>history. >>>> >>>>I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers. >>>>It may be the opposite. >>> >>>What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a >>>positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers. >>> >>>-g >> >> >> >> >>There are many. Shirov is difficult. A fresh Karpov is hell on wheels against >>computers (I don't know why so many think he is weak, I have seen him in action >>and he is a real thorn). > >I saw a game of karpov when he won deep thought only because of a blunder of >deep thought in a drawn rook endgame. > >I read also that he drew twice against old Rebel in 30 minutes/game when other >players have the same results against better programs in the same time >control(new Fritz got only 50% in fast chess against some of the top >players(kramnik,leko,anand...)) > >Uri I am basing my comment on games _I_ saw myself, on a chess server. He was calm, relaxed, and utterly deadly. And the thing that most impressed me about Karpov was that he was _not_ afraid of tactics, and proved himself to be just as strong there as in his old "grind them down into an endgame and win" playing methodology... :) It all depends on the incentive with older GM players. And how they feel. And how recently they have played actively. I would _never_ write him off in a game vs a computer or a human...
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