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Subject: Re: Kasparov played much worse than usual, According to de Firmian !

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:11:57 07/21/00

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On July 20, 2000 at 21:32:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 20, 2000 at 05:25:12, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the
>>>>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories
>>>>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov
>>>>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would
>>>>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he
>>>>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue
>>>>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which
>>>>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the
>>>>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs
>>>>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4  Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4  21.Qe2 Qd8  22.b4 Qc7  23.Rec1 c4
>>>>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8  25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov
>>>>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially  where Nick de
>>>>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the
>>>>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have
>>>>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without
>>>>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans
>>>>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer
>>>>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian.  The IBM team had a huge
>>>>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not.  97 DB had the advantage of
>>>>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare
>>>>>>>with.  If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is
>>>>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion).  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ.  Played toe to toe with
>>>>>>>the top GM's!  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final
>>>>>>game against DB.  It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather
>>>>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have
>>>>>>avoided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brett
>>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an
>>>>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not a well known trap.
>>>>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that
>>>>>black is winning.
>>>>>
>>>>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his
>>>>ability in this match.  Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or
>>>>whatever; the result is the same.  I have often wondered if a player like
>>>>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better
>>>>against Deep Blue.
>>>>
>>>>Victor
>>>
>>>He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against
>>>deeper blue in the all macth.
>>>
>>>Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the
>>>fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame.
>>>
>>>Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the
>>>history.
>>>
>>>I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers.
>>>It may be the opposite.
>>
>>What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a
>>positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers.
>>
>>-g
>
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>There are many.  Shirov is difficult.  A fresh Karpov is hell on wheels against
>computers (I don't know why so many think he is weak, I have seen him in action
>and he is a real thorn).

I saw a game of karpov when he won deep thought only because of a blunder of
deep thought in a drawn rook endgame.

I read also that he drew twice against old Rebel in 30 minutes/game when other
players have the same results against better programs in the same time
control(new Fritz got only 50% in fast chess against some of the top
players(kramnik,leko,anand...))

Uri



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