Author: blass uri
Date: 00:11:57 07/21/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 21:32:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 20, 2000 at 05:25:12, Graham Laight wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote: >>> >>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the >>>>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories >>>>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov >>>>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would >>>>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he >>>>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue >>>>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which >>>>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the >>>>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs >>>>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4 Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4 21.Qe2 Qd8 22.b4 Qc7 23.Rec1 c4 >>>>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8 25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov >>>>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially where Nick de >>>>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the >>>>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have >>>>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without >>>>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans >>>>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer >>>>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian. The IBM team had a huge >>>>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not. 97 DB had the advantage of >>>>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare >>>>>>>with. If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is >>>>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion). :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ. Played toe to toe with >>>>>>>the top GM's! :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>>Chris Carson >>>>>> >>>>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final >>>>>>game against DB. It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather >>>>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have >>>>>>avoided. >>>>>> >>>>>>Brett >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an >>>>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well. >>>>> >>>>>It is not a well known trap. >>>>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that >>>>>black is winning. >>>>> >>>>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his >>>>ability in this match. Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or >>>>whatever; the result is the same. I have often wondered if a player like >>>>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better >>>>against Deep Blue. >>>> >>>>Victor >>> >>>He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against >>>deeper blue in the all macth. >>> >>>Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the >>>fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame. >>> >>>Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the >>>history. >>> >>>I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers. >>>It may be the opposite. >> >>What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a >>positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers. >> >>-g > > > > >There are many. Shirov is difficult. A fresh Karpov is hell on wheels against >computers (I don't know why so many think he is weak, I have seen him in action >and he is a real thorn). I saw a game of karpov when he won deep thought only because of a blunder of deep thought in a drawn rook endgame. I read also that he drew twice against old Rebel in 30 minutes/game when other players have the same results against better programs in the same time control(new Fritz got only 50% in fast chess against some of the top players(kramnik,leko,anand...)) Uri
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