Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:32:57 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 05:25:12, Graham Laight wrote: >On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the >>>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories >>>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov >>>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would >>>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he >>>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue >>>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which >>>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the >>>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs >>>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4 Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4 21.Qe2 Qd8 22.b4 Qc7 23.Rec1 c4 >>>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8 25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov >>>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially where Nick de >>>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the >>>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have >>>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without >>>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans >>>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer >>>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian. The IBM team had a huge >>>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not. 97 DB had the advantage of >>>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare >>>>>>with. If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is >>>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion). :) >>>>>> >>>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ. Played toe to toe with >>>>>>the top GM's! :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>Chris Carson >>>>> >>>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final >>>>>game against DB. It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather >>>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have >>>>>avoided. >>>>> >>>>>Brett >>>> >>>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an >>>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap. >>>> >>>> >>>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well. >>>> >>>>It is not a well known trap. >>>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that >>>>black is winning. >>>> >>>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his >>>ability in this match. Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or >>>whatever; the result is the same. I have often wondered if a player like >>>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better >>>against Deep Blue. >>> >>>Victor >> >>He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against >>deeper blue in the all macth. >> >>Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the >>fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame. >> >>Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the >>history. >> >>I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers. >>It may be the opposite. > >What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a >positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers. > >-g There are many. Shirov is difficult. A fresh Karpov is hell on wheels against computers (I don't know why so many think he is weak, I have seen him in action and he is a real thorn). > >>Players who are good in tactics can avoid tactical traps against computers and >>win because of their better positional knowledge relative to the computer. >> >>Uri
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