Author: Graham Laight
Date: 02:25:12 07/20/00
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On July 19, 2000 at 16:38:49, blass uri wrote: >On July 19, 2000 at 16:06:46, Victor Valenzia wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 14:33:00, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On July 19, 2000 at 14:17:02, B. Clark wrote: >>> >>>>On July 18, 2000 at 23:06:55, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 18, 2000 at 22:54:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> GM - Nick de firmian author of MCO-14 and who worked with the IBM Team as the >>>>>>specialist who prepared Deep Blue's special opening moves for its two victories >>>>>>explained on his introductory of his latest Modern chess Opening that Kasparov >>>>>>played much worse than usual, trying faulty Anti-computer strategy when he would >>>>>>likely have won by normal play. Later on on page 87 of his MCO 14th Edition he >>>>>>explained that on the second game where Kasparov's lost to deep Blue Deep Blue >>>>>>emerged with a large opening advantage (before it even began to think" ) which >>>>>>put kasparov in a hole. In that game Kasparov using the closed defense of the >>>>>>smylov variation faced a prepared opening by De Firmian where deep Blue vs >>>>>>Kasparov played 19.a4 Nh4?1 20. Nxh4 Qxh4 21.Qe2 Qd8 22.b4 Qc7 23.Rec1 c4 >>>>>>24.Ra3 Rec8 25.Rca1 +- and white won in 45 moves. As I explained in 3. Kasparov >>>>>>was a single opponent known to the team of Deep Blue specially where Nick de >>>>>>Firmian prepared a special opening lines in case Kasparov dicided to play the >>>>>>closed defense of the Ruy Lopez which he did. It is very different when you have >>>>>>to face 9 different opponents as deep Junior did at the Dortmund without >>>>>>preparing any special opening lines against any of the opponents, but the humans >>>>>>opponents some like Kramnik decided to play a very effective Anti-Computer >>>>>>strategy such as the stone Wall Defense. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This is a very good point by GM De Firmian. The IBM team had a huge >>>>>advangate that the DJ team did not. 97 DB had the advantage of >>>>>preparation against Kasparov and no games for Kasparov to prepare >>>>>with. If Kasparov could have practiced against DB the way DJ is >>>>>out there, the result would have different (in my opinion). :) >>>>> >>>>>This was an awsome performance by DJ. Played toe to toe with >>>>>the top GM's! :) >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Chris Carson >>>> >>>>One thing that is often overlooked is that Kasparov totally choked in the final >>>>game against DB. It wasn't necessarily outstanding play by DB, but rather >>>>Kasparov falling for a well known trap that most 2100 players would have >>>>avoided. >>>> >>>>Brett >>> >>>Kasparov did not play well in the last game(I think that he played worse than an >>>IM in this game) but he did not fall for a well known trap. >>> >>> >>>Nxe6 is a bad move of Deeper blue and kasparov did not defend well. >>> >>>It is not a well known trap. >>>If you try the position after Nxe6 in comp-comp games you may discover that >>>black is winning. >>> >>>kasparov did some mistakes in this game when fxe6 was probably the first of them >>> >>>Uri >> >>You may be right, but there is no question that Kasparov played far below his >>ability in this match. Call it "nerves", "choking", "being psyched out", or >>whatever; the result is the same. I have often wondered if a player like >>Karpov, who by nature is a quiet, positional player, would have fared better >>against Deep Blue. >> >>Victor > >He could probably play better the last game but could not play better against >deeper blue in the all macth. > >Karpov had problem against Deep thought and could win it only because of the >fact that deeper blue blundered in a drawn rook endgame. > >Karpov is not known to be a strong player against computers based on the >history. > >I do not think that positional players can do better results against computers. >It may be the opposite. What about Yasser Sierewan? (excuse me if I spelled his name wrongly). He's a positional player, and he seems to have a good track record against computers. -g >Players who are good in tactics can avoid tactical traps against computers and >win because of their better positional knowledge relative to the computer. > >Uri
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