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Subject: Re: Dead Wrong!

Author: Alvaro Polo

Date: 13:11:51 07/22/00

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On July 22, 2000 at 10:16:48, blass uri wrote:

>On July 22, 2000 at 10:12:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 22, 2000 at 10:10:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 22, 2000 at 05:39:28, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 21, 2000 at 17:34:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 21, 2000 at 16:38:45, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 21, 2000 at 15:29:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>>I could promise to let you use my quad xeon in a chess tournament, just as I
>>>>>>>have done for Vincent several times.  And someone higher-up here at UAB could
>>>>>>>say "no" and "no" it would be.  Beyond my control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it is something that is not dependent only on you then you should not
>>>>>>promise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can say that you will let Ed to use your quad xeon only if somebody higher
>>>>>>will not say no.
>>>>>
>>>>>Easy to say using 20-20 hindsight.  If I say someone can use my machine, I
>>>>>don't have any worry that I will get overruled.  And I have loaned it several
>>>>>times in the past.  If I worked for a company like IBM, after having worked
>>>>>here for many years, I still might say "yes" and then be surprised when I am
>>>>>overruled.  It happens.  Remember that DT was developed and built by graduate
>>>>>CS students at CMU.  They were in a grad student environment, in an academic
>>>>>environment where openness is everything.  They then found themselves in a
>>>>>totally different world at IBM...  a public corporation with profit motives.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Phew, what an argument and excuse for deceit. Let's take it further (sorry for
>>>>getting carried away):
>>>>
>>>>Aren't we lucky that Hsu and Campbell worked for IBM, a company that was merely
>>>>cynical and insincere and not much beyond that ?
>>>>
>>>>Imagine if Hsu and Campbell would have signed for a really evil institution,
>>>>like the East German sports ministry. No alternative but to do as they want, and
>>>>just following orders.
>>>>
>>>>Amir
>>>
>>>
>>>Welcome to the "real world".
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>
>>THis _really_ pisses me off.  I typed one more character, netscape crashed and
>>sent my post off anyway.
>>
>>I was going to add:
>>
>>The real world _is_ quite different when you do something for fun, vs when you
>>do it to make money.  IBM is about money.  If they weren't, the shareholders
>>wouldn't be shareholders...
>>
>>I don't see anything unusual.
>
>I do not agree that you have the right to lie
>if you do something to make money.
>
>Uri

You don't have the right but if you don't lie (and all advertising, for example,
is a lie) you increase your chances of losing money. The economic system makes
lies mandatory. It is a matter of survival.

Alvaro



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