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Subject: Re: My proposal to SSDF: decrease level by 100 points

Author: Derrick Wilson

Date: 22:23:29 07/28/00

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On July 28, 2000 at 22:08:03, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:

>On July 28, 2000 at 21:08:38, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>
>>On July 28, 2000 at 05:21:49, Derrick Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>On July 28, 2000 at 03:32:42, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 28, 2000 at 03:20:29, Derrick Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 28, 2000 at 01:16:36, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 28, 2000 at 00:58:14, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I made comparison between Carson's latest human list and SSDF to clear
>>>>>>>possible level difference. But it's very difficult, when there are not many
>>>>>>>exactly same software and hardware combinations. I removed multiprosessor
>>>>>>>results and made assumption, that difference between 200MMX and 450 Mhz is 79p
>>>>>>>(for comp-comp, sure not for human-comp). Here's some figures:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Program   average speed   Against humans   SSDF rating         difference
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rebel         431Mhz      2549/33 games    2594 (200MMX+79p)     -45
>>>>>>> Fritz6        500Mhz      2457/15          2721 (450)           -264
>>>>>>> Hiarcs6       272Mhz      2573/20          2518 (200MMX)         +55
>>>>>>> Shredder      500Mhz      2495/8           2676 (450)           -181
>>>>>>> CM5/6K        375Mhz      2521/14          2653 (200MMX+79p)    -132
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This means, that average difference (Against human - SSDF rating) is -85p.
>>>>>>>(Weighted difference for all 90 games).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think this confirms general feeling, that SSDF must drop level by 100 points.
>>>>>>>Counting these multiprosessor Junior/Fritz may still lower level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I this this kind of list is much more reasonable than current:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1  Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2621
>>>>>>> 2  Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2589
>>>>>>> 3  Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450   2571
>>>>>>> 4  Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2554
>>>>>>> 5  Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2553
>>>>>>> 6  Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2526
>>>>>>> 6  Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz        2526
>>>>>>> 8  Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2524
>>>>>>> 9  Nimzo 99 128MB K6-2 450 MHz           2523
>>>>>>> 10 Hiarcs 7.32 64MB P200 MMX             2477
>>>>>>> 11 Fritz 5.32 64MB P200 MMX              2475
>>>>>>> 12 Chessmaster 6000 64MB P200 MMX        2474
>>>>>>> 13 Hiarcs 7.0 64MB P200 MMX              2460
>>>>>>> 13 Fritz 5.0 PB29% 67MB P200 MMX         2460
>>>>>>> 15 Nimzo 99 64MB P200 MMX                2449
>>>>>>> 16 Junior 5.0 64MB P200 MMX              2437
>>>>>>> 17 Nimzo 98 58MB P200 MMX                2425
>>>>>>> 18 Rebel 9.0 47MB P200 MMX               2420
>>>>>>> 19 Hiarcs 6.0 49MB P200 MMX              2418
>>>>>>> 20 Rebel 8.0 51MB P200 MMX               2410
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but if you leave Fritz6 on top it is too inflated compared to human games,
>>>>>>  and dropping hiarcs rating would be a problem as well since it earned its
>>>>>>rating 2573, it seems like the damage is done and you need a separate ratings
>>>>>>list for comps vs human.  I do not think you can just lower the ratings straight
>>>>>>across the board.
>>>>>>  Lanny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   What evidence do you have that Fritz6 rating would be inflated? I hope your
>>>>>not going by the few games played at the israeli league?
>>>>
>>>>did you look at the text that was posted above? , then you should see what
>>>>"evidence" I am going by. fritz6 500mhz 2457/15 against humans an against
>>>>computers is 2721 , if this is correct or not ask Jouni those are the numbers
>>>>given and I am giving an opinion off of the numbers given.
>>>
>>>
>>>  In other words you don't care whatever or not the figures are accurate you
>>>don't mind making assumptions on Data that has not proven to be reliable??
>>
>Sorry for otherresponse tomuch coffee??) To answer in a more mature tone, I do
>not mind making assumptions based on data even if not true, I would make the
>assumption and then I would also state I didnt feel the data was correct. I did
>check with ssdf because I was wondering why Chessmaster and rebel was rated
>higher on this list , then realised it was because they are using stronger
>proccessors here.  For  the other list,I followed a lot of the games from before
>and figure be true and since I do not have time to scour up the games and
>recheck all the wins and losses of the 90 games in the message I didnt feel it
>to be a bad thing at all to give an opinion based on the data above.
>  Thanks ,
> Lanny


  No offense was intended, I tried to give you a private response by email, but
apparently your email address is not current.



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