Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 19:08:03 07/28/00
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On July 28, 2000 at 21:08:38, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >On July 28, 2000 at 05:21:49, Derrick Wilson wrote: > >>On July 28, 2000 at 03:32:42, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >> >>>On July 28, 2000 at 03:20:29, Derrick Wilson wrote: >>> >>>>On July 28, 2000 at 01:16:36, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 28, 2000 at 00:58:14, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I made comparison between Carson's latest human list and SSDF to clear >>>>>>possible level difference. But it's very difficult, when there are not many >>>>>>exactly same software and hardware combinations. I removed multiprosessor >>>>>>results and made assumption, that difference between 200MMX and 450 Mhz is 79p >>>>>>(for comp-comp, sure not for human-comp). Here's some figures: >>>>>> >>>>>> Program average speed Against humans SSDF rating difference >>>>>> >>>>>> Rebel 431Mhz 2549/33 games 2594 (200MMX+79p) -45 >>>>>> Fritz6 500Mhz 2457/15 2721 (450) -264 >>>>>> Hiarcs6 272Mhz 2573/20 2518 (200MMX) +55 >>>>>> Shredder 500Mhz 2495/8 2676 (450) -181 >>>>>> CM5/6K 375Mhz 2521/14 2653 (200MMX+79p) -132 >>>>>> >>>>>>This means, that average difference (Against human - SSDF rating) is -85p. >>>>>>(Weighted difference for all 90 games). >>>>>> >>>>>>I think this confirms general feeling, that SSDF must drop level by 100 points. >>>>>>Counting these multiprosessor Junior/Fritz may still lower level. >>>>>> >>>>>>I this this kind of list is much more reasonable than current: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2621 >>>>>> 2 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2589 >>>>>> 3 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 2571 >>>>>> 4 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 >>>>>> 5 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 >>>>>> 6 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 >>>>>> 6 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 >>>>>> 8 Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2524 >>>>>> 9 Nimzo 99 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2523 >>>>>> 10 Hiarcs 7.32 64MB P200 MMX 2477 >>>>>> 11 Fritz 5.32 64MB P200 MMX 2475 >>>>>> 12 Chessmaster 6000 64MB P200 MMX 2474 >>>>>> 13 Hiarcs 7.0 64MB P200 MMX 2460 >>>>>> 13 Fritz 5.0 PB29% 67MB P200 MMX 2460 >>>>>> 15 Nimzo 99 64MB P200 MMX 2449 >>>>>> 16 Junior 5.0 64MB P200 MMX 2437 >>>>>> 17 Nimzo 98 58MB P200 MMX 2425 >>>>>> 18 Rebel 9.0 47MB P200 MMX 2420 >>>>>> 19 Hiarcs 6.0 49MB P200 MMX 2418 >>>>>> 20 Rebel 8.0 51MB P200 MMX 2410 >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>>Yes, but if you leave Fritz6 on top it is too inflated compared to human games, >>>>> and dropping hiarcs rating would be a problem as well since it earned its >>>>>rating 2573, it seems like the damage is done and you need a separate ratings >>>>>list for comps vs human. I do not think you can just lower the ratings straight >>>>>across the board. >>>>> Lanny >>>> >>>> >>>> What evidence do you have that Fritz6 rating would be inflated? I hope your >>>>not going by the few games played at the israeli league? >>> >>>did you look at the text that was posted above? , then you should see what >>>"evidence" I am going by. fritz6 500mhz 2457/15 against humans an against >>>computers is 2721 , if this is correct or not ask Jouni those are the numbers >>>given and I am giving an opinion off of the numbers given. >> >> >> In other words you don't care whatever or not the figures are accurate you >>don't mind making assumptions on Data that has not proven to be reliable?? > Sorry for otherresponse tomuch coffee??) To answer in a more mature tone, I do not mind making assumptions based on data even if not true, I would make the assumption and then I would also state I didnt feel the data was correct. I did check with ssdf because I was wondering why Chessmaster and rebel was rated higher on this list , then realised it was because they are using stronger proccessors here. For the other list,I followed a lot of the games from before and figure be true and since I do not have time to scour up the games and recheck all the wins and losses of the 90 games in the message I didnt feel it to be a bad thing at all to give an opinion based on the data above. Thanks , Lanny
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