Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:26:41 08/18/00
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On August 18, 2000 at 16:18:45, Chris Carson wrote: >On August 18, 2000 at 12:47:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 18, 2000 at 09:46:37, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2000 at 09:27:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 17, 2000 at 22:32:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 17, 2000 at 22:09:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 17, 2000 at 12:39:13, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 17, 2000 at 12:10:32, walter irvin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i wonder how fritz6 on a 1 ghz would have stacked up vs hitec or cray blitz or >>>>>>>>for that matter deep blue ???????ok maybe deep blue is a stretch , but hitec or >>>>>>>>cray blitz ???? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> also with the new computer world championship commimg up year 2000 .i wonder >>>>>>>>how the world champ from 84 or 85 would do in this years tourny ????? have >>>>>>>>things really got that much better????? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ok, I'll bite. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My opinion (take it with a grain of salt because we cannot match up >>>>>>>the programs). :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1. Fritz6 (PIII 1GHZ) vs Hitec (1989 hardware) Fritz6 wins +200 ELO >>>>>>>2. Fritz6 (PIII 1GHZ) vs Cray Blitz (1989 hardwar) Fritz6 wins +200 ELO >>>>>> >>>>>>You did know that we were doing over 1M nodes per second in 1989? >>>>> >>>>>The number of nodes is not important but the quality of the moves. >>>>>Hiarcs7.32 searches less nodes than Junior4.6 or Fritz3 but is a better program. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>Cray Blitz and crafty are _very_ similar now. Do you think Crafty at 7M >>>>nodes per second would get rolled over very badly by fritz at 1M? I don't. >>> >>>Well, Blitz or Crafty on a Cray at 7M NPS would be a good matchup for Fritz6, >>>Junior6, Shredder4, Hiarcs7.32, Chess Tiger ... on a PIII 1Ghz. :) >>> >>>However, I would give the nod to Fritz or DJ6 on a PIII 8x800 mhz. Just >>>my opinion, I would rather see the match-up, who knows how it would turn >>>out and I would love to see Crafty at 7M NPS play all of the above. You >>>did a great job with Cray Blitz and you have done a great job with Crafty >>>and so has Amir with Junior, the fritz team, shredder team, Ed with Rebel, >>>Hiarcs team, christophe chess tiger, ... :) Bring_it_on for the next >>>WCCC! :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>I doubt I will ever compete in a WCCC event with a Cray, again. They are >>simply too hard to get time on. Compaq may be willing to put up a 32 cpu >>alpha, however. That is a 32M node per second machine, easily... >> >>If there is another WCCC event, of course. I think it is very doubtful. > >I understand the problem with getting time on the Cray. The 32 cpu >alpha would be a very powerful system for Crafty to run on. Hopefully >there will be another WCCC, but perhaps not. Pity. > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson This is the one legacy of Deep Blue that I don't like... The general public now believe that chess is "solved" and that computers are better than the best human player. Notwithstanding the fact that DB was a long-term hardware development project and chess on the micros has a long way to close the gap between them and Kasparov. It _appears_ that this has already been done. And interest (excepting for us 'programmers' and "computer-chessniks" of course) is way down nowadays... witness how hard it was to set up the WMCCC event this year... The ACM events (started in 1970, last one in 1995) are gone, the last WCCC was a year late. I think the writing is on the wall... R.I.P. I am afraid...
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