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Subject: Re: Something else and maybe final about DOS obstinacy

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:31:27 12/04/97

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On December 04, 1997 at 15:57:17, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Dear Thorsten:
>Of course the ultimate cause of problems are the users. If nobody do
>nothing with a computer, nothing happens. I have never seeen a problem
>with the computers in exhibition in a shopping center. The point is how
>much chances of doing something wrong an user has with or without W95.
>What is more, my point is not just the problems derived from the use of
>a program, but problems to install and use a program. There is where DOS
>is problematic.
>Let me explain what happens to me with CMP7:
>A) If I use the Dos windows of w95, I have not enough memory and to get
>more I should desinstall a serie of TRS that I need to work, then to
>install them again and so and so. Too much problems and tinkering.
>B) If a configure an special DOS for this program using the shortcuts
>with properties, etc, then I get enough memory, but then MCP7 does not
>recognizes my CD rom unit and so I cannot begin anything. I push enter,
>screen goes black and then a reboot procedes.
>C) If a load the system with an special config.sys and autoexec in a
>floppy, the same thing: I cannot recharge.
>D) If I try to launch from Windows qith  /0, lack of memory again.
>E) If I would try to get more memory, I should disable the CD rom device
>and so again I could not launch MCP7.
>Cath 22, it seems...
>Now, as much I can be missing something, If you have an answer, please
>lety me know and I happily will recant of my position.... :-)
>Fernando

this argument is being turned upside down.  Programmers are trying to
tell
end-users how they ought to run their program, rather than listening to
end-users to find out how they want to run it.

I struggled with this a long while back, but chose to create a winboard
version of crafty for those that wanted a windows-compatible program.
this
"dos boot issue" is a problem for many people.  I had a win3.1 system
that
my kids used for games...  I had a config.sys, a config.normal, a
config.falcon,
a config.doom, a config.this and a config.that.  rebooting between
applications
is a stupid requirement.  managing multiple config.sys files is possibly
ok, but only possibly. Contrast this with simply clicking start, and
then
choosing the app you want to run.  *and* being able to run this
application
while running other applications at the same time is part of the utility
of
the windows environment.  Booting in dos mode is simply not a viable
answer.

However, this doesn't have to be reconciled here.  The end-users will
take
care of this because if they want a windows app, they have genius as one
option to buy, crafty is an option for free.  Market pressures will
either
prove this to be what users want, or not.  It depends on whether the
various
programmers want to pay attention to (a) what end users say they want or
(b) what the programmers believe the end users want.  It is easy to
answer.
Just watch for sales numbers over the next year or two.  If genius (or
another windows-compliant program) runs away from the others in sales,
that
will make the point...



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