Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:35:53 09/05/00
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On September 05, 2000 at 14:10:50, Eddie wrote: >On September 05, 2000 at 14:04:06, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 05, 2000 at 13:57:55, Eddie wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:53:43, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:46:53, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:31:56, Eddie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 12:04:50, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>One day someone may write a book about the sociology of computer chess. Well, >>>>>>>maybe the topic is not interesting enough for a book, but at least an article >>>>>>>could be fascinating. A few paragraphs should relate to beta-testing and the >>>>>>>relationship between CC freaks and programmers. Fernando: are you interested? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Months ago, Uri posted that he expected to be paid for his collaboration with >>>>>>>the development of chess programs. It made me smile, because beta-testing is >>>>>>>supposed to be a privilege for the tester, although I never quite understood why >>>>>>>it works this way. But it does. From one day to the next, a freak may be >>>>>>>promoted to the "in" circle, improve his status to the imaginary rank of expert >>>>>>>and get the ensuing ego-booster, but he has to pay a price. I have seen private >>>>>>>emails from beta-testers published without permission when it was commercially >>>>>>>convenient; beta-testers demoted as no-team members; beta-testers forced to >>>>>>>write commercially useful stuff for the honor of spending X (when X tends to >>>>>>>very many) hours hunting for bugs and checking the engine. Etc. It would seem a >>>>>>>matter of common sense to assume, as Uri did, that collaborating in the >>>>>>>improvement of a commercial product is a paid job, but in computer chess it is >>>>>>>the other way round, even if the tester doesn't pay with money but in species. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have received over the years quite a few betas, but I always made clear that I >>>>>>>would play with them for my own fun and in the way I was interested in, at my >>>>>>>own whimsical pace, and that I was thoroughly incompetent as a tester (I am). A >>>>>>>few times I declined, shame on me, the honor of beta-testing. Certainly the idea >>>>>>>of getting paid for what in my case was a no-job didn't cross my mind, but the >>>>>>>hierarchical relationship programmer-tester didn't either. Still, this kind of >>>>>>>relationship seems to be quite common. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Why would that be this way, why a person feels promoted and agrees to pay for >>>>>>>the promotion. Strange, isn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>> >>>>>>I think it would be an "honor" to be a tester for these great programs! :)) >>>>> >>>>>You blew it. Instead of using quotation marks you should have wrote Honor. Nah, >>>>>you'll never make it to the top... :) >>>> >>>>I think that Eddie used the quotation marks to express the opinion that it is >>>>not an honor. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>No Uri, it was written with quotation marks, to signify that it would be an >>>"honor" ...... :)) >> >>By the same idea you can say that it is an honor to write a chess program so the >>programmers do not need to sell their program for money. >> >>I cannot disagree more. >> >>Uri > >Uri, > >Where you coming from? I said it would be an "honor" to be a tester, do you >read this text ok? Or are you looking for an argument? I don't need to hear >crap of getting paid to be a tester. It's an "honor!" Do I make myself clear >here? I sure hope so ...... I do not understand what do you want to say by saying that it is an "honor!". The discussion was about the reason that people agree to be a beta testers when they are not paid for it. You said that it would be an "Honor" to be a tester and it cannot explain the fact that there are a lot of beta teters because usually people expect being paid for jobs that people respect. A good example is that when I told my friend about the elections for being a moderator he asked me how much money do pepople earn from it. I may accept being a moderator in the future but only because of the fact that I know that we need moderators and not because of "Honor". I know that when I was a beta testers for Junior and I told people about it there were people who told me that I should ask for money for exposing bugs. Uri
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