Author: Eddie
Date: 11:50:42 09/05/00
Go up one level in this thread
On September 05, 2000 at 14:35:53, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 05, 2000 at 14:10:50, Eddie wrote: > >>On September 05, 2000 at 14:04:06, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:57:55, Eddie wrote: >>> >>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:53:43, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:46:53, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:31:56, Eddie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 12:04:50, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>One day someone may write a book about the sociology of computer chess. Well, >>>>>>>>maybe the topic is not interesting enough for a book, but at least an article >>>>>>>>could be fascinating. A few paragraphs should relate to beta-testing and the >>>>>>>>relationship between CC freaks and programmers. Fernando: are you interested? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Months ago, Uri posted that he expected to be paid for his collaboration with >>>>>>>>the development of chess programs. It made me smile, because beta-testing is >>>>>>>>supposed to be a privilege for the tester, although I never quite understood why >>>>>>>>it works this way. But it does. From one day to the next, a freak may be >>>>>>>>promoted to the "in" circle, improve his status to the imaginary rank of expert >>>>>>>>and get the ensuing ego-booster, but he has to pay a price. I have seen private >>>>>>>>emails from beta-testers published without permission when it was commercially >>>>>>>>convenient; beta-testers demoted as no-team members; beta-testers forced to >>>>>>>>write commercially useful stuff for the honor of spending X (when X tends to >>>>>>>>very many) hours hunting for bugs and checking the engine. Etc. It would seem a >>>>>>>>matter of common sense to assume, as Uri did, that collaborating in the >>>>>>>>improvement of a commercial product is a paid job, but in computer chess it is >>>>>>>>the other way round, even if the tester doesn't pay with money but in species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have received over the years quite a few betas, but I always made clear that I >>>>>>>>would play with them for my own fun and in the way I was interested in, at my >>>>>>>>own whimsical pace, and that I was thoroughly incompetent as a tester (I am). A >>>>>>>>few times I declined, shame on me, the honor of beta-testing. Certainly the idea >>>>>>>>of getting paid for what in my case was a no-job didn't cross my mind, but the >>>>>>>>hierarchical relationship programmer-tester didn't either. Still, this kind of >>>>>>>>relationship seems to be quite common. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Why would that be this way, why a person feels promoted and agrees to pay for >>>>>>>>the promotion. Strange, isn't it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think it would be an "honor" to be a tester for these great programs! :)) >>>>>> >>>>>>You blew it. Instead of using quotation marks you should have wrote Honor. Nah, >>>>>>you'll never make it to the top... :) >>>>> >>>>>I think that Eddie used the quotation marks to express the opinion that it is >>>>>not an honor. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>No Uri, it was written with quotation marks, to signify that it would be an >>>>"honor" ...... :)) >>> >>>By the same idea you can say that it is an honor to write a chess program so the >>>programmers do not need to sell their program for money. >>> >>>I cannot disagree more. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Uri, >> >>Where you coming from? I said it would be an "honor" to be a tester, do you >>read this text ok? Or are you looking for an argument? I don't need to hear >>crap of getting paid to be a tester. It's an "honor!" Do I make myself clear >>here? I sure hope so ...... > >I do not understand what do you want to say by saying that it is an "honor!". > >The discussion was about the reason that people agree to be a beta testers when >they are not paid for it. > >You said that it would be an "Honor" to be a tester and it cannot explain the >fact that there are a lot of beta teters because usually people expect being >paid for jobs that people respect. > >A good example is that when I told my friend about the elections for being a >moderator he asked me how much money do pepople earn from it. > >I may accept being a moderator in the future but only because of the fact that I >know that we need moderators and not because of "Honor". > >I know that when I was a beta testers for Junior and I told people about it >there were people who told me that I should ask for money for exposing bugs. > >Uri Uri, Thanks for your comments regarding this issue ..... These "elite" programers in this CC field are totally awesome in my mind. I have been one of those CC "freaks" for over 20 years, plain and simple I like this computer chess, for the "love" of the game so to speak! :)) So, getting back to the point here, if any freaks were elected, sure its an ego boost big time, but it boils down to the love of chess ...... I'll pay the standard fee that has been quoted in this theme, I want to help any author, that may need a "little" more help ..... I have sent email to all these "elite" author's ..... and, it get's back to my simple statement, it would be an honor to try and help out in any way .... :))
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.