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Subject: Re: Rebel8 and Rebel9 on SSDF.

Author: Tony Hedlund

Date: 11:32:21 12/11/97

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On December 10, 1997 at 14:32:23, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Tony Hedlund on December 10, 1997 at 13:27:35:
>
>>In Reply to: Re: Rebel8 and Rebel9 on SSDF. posted by Ed Schröder on
>>December 09, 1997 at 18:06:08:
>
>>On December 09, 1997 at 18:06:08, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>>>> >>So the question arise with which book SSDF tested Rebel8 and Rebel9?
>>>>> >>Certainly not the provided commercial books.
>
>>>>I use the default settings. Which means rebel.mvs with Tournament book.
>>>>None of the example games have been tested by me.
>
>>>Well it's looks simple to me. All 6 games I provided were games between
>>> Rebel8 P100 and
>>> Rebel9 P200 MMX
>>>Not so difficult to trace the SSDF tester in question?
>
>>Not at all. We know very well who it is.
>
>Is he the only one?

Most probably

>>Thoralf have told him to put the main book on. But he's not to
>>blaim. In the manual it says that Rebel plays better with the
>>tournament Book on. It's not obvious that the main book must
>>also be on. A while back in time it wasn't so.
>
>Ever since Rebel7 (when the tournament book was implemented) I tell SSDF
>to play with the "standard" settings after installation and to leave the
>tournament book on.
>
>Besides of that one might expect a little knowledge of *any* tested
>program by *any* SSDF tester. If Rebel regular jumps out of book on
>move 4 one might start to think something is wrong don't you think?

Yes of cource. I myself have had this problem a couple of times.

>If a tester sees that after:
>
>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5
>
>or
>
>1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3
>
>Rebel is out of book don't you think it is logical to assume something
>is *very* wrong?

I fully agree.

>Will these games (how many?) played again with the good settings?
>
>Or will SSDF remove the games in question from the Rebel8 and Rebel9
>results?
>
>I think Rebel8 and Rebel9 (and maybe Rebel7?) are treated unfair and
>lost (many?) unnecessary elo points because of that.
>
>Only SSDF can supply the information:
>1.. how many testers have made this mistake;
>2.. how many games are affected (not valid) because of that;
>3.. what has been the elo loss for Rebel8 and Rebel9.

The questions above must be answered by Thoralf, I don't have the
knowledge
to do that.

>Please correct the error and I will shut up. Your list is too important
>and valuable to let such a huge error unchanged.

It's "important and valuable" to them that's in the top of the list.

>Playing Rebel8 and Rebel9 with a 4-5 Kb opening book.
>Who ever is to blame, it should be corrected IMO.

>- Ed Schroder -
>
>
Tony



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