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Subject: Re: Could someone tell me which programs are...Weaker

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 15:45:02 10/04/00

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>Now to answer this poor guy's question. I play a fair number of games against
>winboard and chessbase engines. My favorites are:
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>Fritz 1.2
>ExChess 2.5
>Fortress 1.6.1 (although it will lose on time)
>Gromit 2.? (can't remember exact version)
>Doctor 2.0
>LDB ? (can't remember exact version)
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>These are in no particular order. Getting a good game will depend on your
>playing strength and the speed of your computer.
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>Hope this helps.
>
>Bob P.

This is a start as anyone who has played as many games against hiarcs et al
will notice if you set 40/2 and anything other than defalts (2450) it will mix
weaker moves in with the stronger ones.  I posted a game where it was supposed
to be 2200 but it blocked an obvious diagonal which shouldn't have been blockd
with a pawn move and viola, with a Rook Lift i don't care who you are if you
have corrupt structure on the K-side you are as good as dead. This isn't fun so
i am looking for programs that will play consistently bad moves hehe really
Baby chess and Ziggurat are too weak for the average player and for someone who
is probably around 1800 like me it isn't any fun. I don't mind being crushed but
please not in the first 20 moves like a fritz or hiarcs. and when it comes to
the Complete chess system on my 800Mhz athlon clocked to 880 yes it is strong
2195 on the LCT II test I have better luck with Skaki even though it can and
does win more often than i do it is supposed to be around 1965 on a 600Mhz
machine so from what i have seen it could be 25-55 points higher on my machine
which even though there is no correlation to elo it would put it enough points
above me to win more.

I don't have much to work with on creating a weak program list but anybody
wanting to help is welcome. I have the SSDF list i used in the first place and
came up with the CCS as being the weakest on the SSDF an LCTII tests. There are
others like Psion, ChessPlayer2150, ChessChampion 2175, Chessmaster 2100 and
2000; which may be weaker but some of these are hard to find and some will not
run due to being too buggy poorly written etc.(Ziggurat kept on crashing pitty
cause it is one of the older programs that still looks good) I have noticed that
 winboard programs do not alway work in Chessbase this doesn't help matters
seeing as to how else can i run test suits?? Other than the SSDF list i have a
few documents from Frank's webpage: the wer_rating_8 this lists a bunch of
programs and their SSDF 40/5 40min Chessbits etc but whoever is responsible
didn't think to put the version number of the programs.

Thankyou for your response



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