Author: Bas Hamstra
Date: 05:41:53 10/18/00
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On October 17, 2000 at 10:07:20, Albert Silver wrote: >On October 17, 2000 at 04:44:58, Bas Hamstra wrote: > >>On October 15, 2000 at 22:12:12, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On October 15, 2000 at 18:00:06, Bas Hamstra wrote: >>> >>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:50:09, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:02:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>What is Gambit Tiger ? >>>>>>Is it a new program or a new version of chess tiger ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thx, Uli >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It is a new engine. It is based on the frame of Chess Tiger, but has more >>>>>knowledge about king attacks. >>>>> >>>>>So it plays much more active and agressive chess. >>>>> >>>>>Both Chess Tiger 13.0 and Gambit Tiger 1.0 will be provided on the Rebel 11 CD. >>>> >>>>Are you sure it plays aggressive? Active? The King attacks. Comet and Diep do a >>>>good job. CSTal goes for the king. Compared to them CT plays utterly boring. >>>>Maybe because it focusses on defensive tactics? Use the saved cycles to search >>>>deeper? >>>> >>>>BUT it scores it's points... >>> >>> >>> >>>These days are OVER. You should update, Bas!!! >>> >>>Where have you been lately? >>> >>>Chess Tiger has CHANGED and the new Gambit Tiger engine is very agressive. >>> >>>I'm not going to post examples once again, but you should have a look at the >>>Nimzo8 - Gambit Tiger game at the Dutch Championship. I think it has been >>>posted here yesterday... >> >>I know, I was there. I will take a look at the game, haven't so far. >> >>However I was not impressed by several Gambit Tiger games at FICS against my >>program, on equal hardware. When it's boring of course both are to blame, but >>the point is it doesn't blow you off the board like TheKing or CSTal can do. > >You're mistaken. Although I think Gambit is the foremost attacking program >today(which doesn't mean there aren't positions others do better in), it is true >that it depends on the position. It can only shine when there IS an attack. No >one said it will transform dry-as-a-desert positions into a tactical >free-for-all, as that is most often impossible without shooting oneself in the >knees. Look at the games from the Dutch championship. Look at ALL of them. Yes, >there are plenty of boring endgames in which Gambit slowly outplays its >opponents, but those were a consequence of the positions obtained. In a sense, >it is exhilirating to see it do that when you know that its reputation is >another. It's engine when not attacking is basically Tiger 13, which I don't >find boring either BTW. Yet, when it does have an attack, it is capable of >producing some amazing things. Name a program capable of finding that stupendous >Rc6 in its game against Nimzo. I think even IMs would have troubkle with that >one. They might see it when shown, but would they have played it in a game? That >is the real question. I could post several positions with attacking >sequences/build-ups (I'm not talking about isolated tactical shots), that I >can't get any other program to find, and in some cases not even in the top >choices. It does overdo it and can lose in a very ugly way (it doesn't just >crash and burn -- it does so with the wings missing and the ejection equipment >damaged), but overall it seems to win more than it loses, and even against the >big boys. Tiger 13 is different, and yet the same. The endgame play and quiter >positions should yield identical results in most cases, yet it plays much more >energetically than the older Tiger in many positions, especially attacking ones. >Plus it has been seriously improved tactically, so it is faster, AND it's >endgame play has been taken a few levels higher. Now when analyzing positions, I >will make use of both engines as they have different things to offer, and that's >just the way I like it: more choices to the user! Some programs are just plain >fun to play against. In the past, personal favourites were Mchess, Rebel, and >Hiarcs. Now Tiger Gambit is a part of that small list. I play them all, but >those are the ones that make me come back for more. BTW, I don't have CSTal or >The King so cannot give them my vote, though by rep, I'm sure they would be >included. > > Albert > > > >>It >>is supposed to be in a different league, not to just play on until the opponent >>dies of age. Maybe the final version is different from the FICS beta. >> >> >>Regards, >>Bas.
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