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Subject: Re: Gambit tiger

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 05:41:53 10/18/00

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On October 17, 2000 at 10:07:20, Albert Silver wrote:

>On October 17, 2000 at 04:44:58, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>On October 15, 2000 at 22:12:12, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On October 15, 2000 at 18:00:06, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:50:09, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:02:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What is Gambit Tiger ?
>>>>>>Is it a new program or a new version of chess tiger ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thx, Uli
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a new engine. It is based on the frame of Chess Tiger, but has more
>>>>>knowledge about king attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>So it plays much more active and agressive chess.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both Chess Tiger 13.0 and Gambit Tiger 1.0 will be provided on the Rebel 11 CD.
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure it plays aggressive? Active? The King attacks. Comet and Diep do a
>>>>good job. CSTal goes for the king. Compared to them CT plays utterly boring.
>>>>Maybe because it focusses on defensive tactics? Use the saved cycles to search
>>>>deeper?
>>>>
>>>>BUT it scores it's points...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>These days are OVER. You should update, Bas!!!
>>>
>>>Where have you been lately?
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger has CHANGED and the new Gambit Tiger engine is very agressive.
>>>
>>>I'm not going to post examples once again, but you should have a look at the
>>>Nimzo8 - Gambit Tiger game at the Dutch Championship. I think it has been
>>>posted here yesterday...
>>
>>I know, I was there. I will take a look at the game, haven't so far.
>>
>>However I was not impressed by several Gambit Tiger games at FICS against my
>>program, on equal hardware. When it's boring of course both are to blame, but
>>the point is it doesn't blow you off the board like TheKing or CSTal can do.
>
>You're mistaken. Although I think Gambit is the foremost attacking program
>today(which doesn't mean there aren't positions others do better in), it is true
>that it depends on the position. It can only shine when there IS an attack. No
>one said it will transform dry-as-a-desert positions into a tactical
>free-for-all, as that is most often impossible without shooting oneself in the
>knees. Look at the games from the Dutch championship. Look at ALL of them. Yes,
>there are plenty of boring endgames in which Gambit slowly outplays its
>opponents, but those were a consequence of the positions obtained. In a sense,
>it is exhilirating to see it do that when you know that its reputation is
>another. It's engine when not attacking is basically Tiger 13, which I don't
>find boring either BTW. Yet, when it does have an attack, it is capable of
>producing some amazing things. Name a program capable of finding that stupendous
>Rc6 in its game against Nimzo. I think even IMs would have troubkle with that
>one. They might see it when shown, but would they have played it in a game? That
>is the real question. I could post several positions with attacking
>sequences/build-ups (I'm not talking about isolated tactical shots), that I
>can't get any other program to find, and in some cases not even in the top
>choices. It does overdo it and can lose in a very ugly way (it doesn't just
>crash and burn -- it does so with the wings missing and the ejection equipment
>damaged), but overall it seems to win more than it loses, and even against the
>big boys. Tiger 13 is different, and yet the same. The endgame play and quiter
>positions should yield identical results in most cases, yet it plays much more
>energetically than the older Tiger in many positions, especially attacking ones.
>Plus it has been seriously improved tactically, so it is faster, AND it's
>endgame play has been taken a few levels higher. Now when analyzing positions, I
>will make use of both engines as they have different things to offer, and that's
>just the way I like it: more choices to the user! Some programs are just plain
>fun to play against. In the past, personal favourites were Mchess, Rebel, and
>Hiarcs. Now Tiger Gambit is a part of that small list. I play them all, but
>those are the ones that make me come back for more. BTW, I don't have CSTal or
>The King so cannot give them my vote, though by rep, I'm sure they would be
>included.
>
>                                          Albert
>
>
>
>>It
>>is supposed to be in a different league, not to just play on until the opponent
>>dies of age. Maybe the final version is different from the FICS beta.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Bas.



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