Author: Albert Silver
Date: 07:07:20 10/17/00
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On October 17, 2000 at 04:44:58, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>On October 15, 2000 at 22:12:12, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 15, 2000 at 18:00:06, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>
>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:50:09, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 15, 2000 at 14:02:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What is Gambit Tiger ?
>>>>>Is it a new program or a new version of chess tiger ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thx, Uli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is a new engine. It is based on the frame of Chess Tiger, but has more
>>>>knowledge about king attacks.
>>>>
>>>>So it plays much more active and agressive chess.
>>>>
>>>>Both Chess Tiger 13.0 and Gambit Tiger 1.0 will be provided on the Rebel 11 CD.
>>>
>>>Are you sure it plays aggressive? Active? The King attacks. Comet and Diep do a
>>>good job. CSTal goes for the king. Compared to them CT plays utterly boring.
>>>Maybe because it focusses on defensive tactics? Use the saved cycles to search
>>>deeper?
>>>
>>>BUT it scores it's points...
>>
>>
>>
>>These days are OVER. You should update, Bas!!!
>>
>>Where have you been lately?
>>
>>Chess Tiger has CHANGED and the new Gambit Tiger engine is very agressive.
>>
>>I'm not going to post examples once again, but you should have a look at the
>>Nimzo8 - Gambit Tiger game at the Dutch Championship. I think it has been
>>posted here yesterday...
>
>I know, I was there. I will take a look at the game, haven't so far.
>
>However I was not impressed by several Gambit Tiger games at FICS against my
>program, on equal hardware. When it's boring of course both are to blame, but
>the point is it doesn't blow you off the board like TheKing or CSTal can do.
You're mistaken. Although I think Gambit is the foremost attacking program
today(which doesn't mean there aren't positions others do better in), it is true
that it depends on the position. It can only shine when there IS an attack. No
one said it will transform dry-as-a-desert positions into a tactical
free-for-all, as that is most often impossible without shooting oneself in the
knees. Look at the games from the Dutch championship. Look at ALL of them. Yes,
there are plenty of boring endgames in which Gambit slowly outplays its
opponents, but those were a consequence of the positions obtained. In a sense,
it is exhilirating to see it do that when you know that its reputation is
another. It's engine when not attacking is basically Tiger 13, which I don't
find boring either BTW. Yet, when it does have an attack, it is capable of
producing some amazing things. Name a program capable of finding that stupendous
Rc6 in its game against Nimzo. I think even IMs would have troubkle with that
one. They might see it when shown, but would they have played it in a game? That
is the real question. I could post several positions with attacking
sequences/build-ups (I'm not talking about isolated tactical shots), that I
can't get any other program to find, and in some cases not even in the top
choices. It does overdo it and can lose in a very ugly way (it doesn't just
crash and burn -- it does so with the wings missing and the ejection equipment
damaged), but overall it seems to win more than it loses, and even against the
big boys. Tiger 13 is different, and yet the same. The endgame play and quiter
positions should yield identical results in most cases, yet it plays much more
energetically than the older Tiger in many positions, especially attacking ones.
Plus it has been seriously improved tactically, so it is faster, AND it's
endgame play has been taken a few levels higher. Now when analyzing positions, I
will make use of both engines as they have different things to offer, and that's
just the way I like it: more choices to the user! Some programs are just plain
fun to play against. In the past, personal favourites were Mchess, Rebel, and
Hiarcs. Now Tiger Gambit is a part of that small list. I play them all, but
those are the ones that make me come back for more. BTW, I don't have CSTal or
The King so cannot give them my vote, though by rep, I'm sure they would be
included.
Albert
>It
>is supposed to be in a different league, not to just play on until the opponent
>dies of age. Maybe the final version is different from the FICS beta.
>
>
>Regards,
>Bas.
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