Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:41:14 10/18/00
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On October 19, 2000 at 02:32:11, allan johnson wrote: >On October 17, 2000 at 20:50:15, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On October 17, 2000 at 20:31:52, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >> >>>On October 17, 2000 at 20:23:13, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On October 17, 2000 at 19:51:05, Andrew Dados wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 17, 2000 at 19:37:32, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>When two humans play an open game of chess specially for the World's >>>>>>Title it is very exciting to watch. We have not seen too many of these open >>>>>>games played since the era of Bobby fischer, which is probably the reason why >>>>>>his games were full of fire. But if any of these two gladiators dare to play an >>>>>>open game against any of the top leading programs such as Fritz and Chess Tiger >>>>>>they would not have a chance to defeat these tactical monsters. >>>>>>The only way to beat the best P.C chess programs is by playing the way that >>>>>>Kramnik played against Deep Junior with opening like the Stone wall Defense, and >>>>>>once P.C chess programs are programmed to handle closed openings like the Stone >>>>>>Wall defense they will become unbeatable. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pichard. >>>>> >>>>>Your claims are baseless. Why do you keep posting those trolls? >>>>>-Andrew- >>>> >>>>I post these messages because there are still people like you who do not seems >>>>to know where the real strength of a computer program lies, unless you have been >>>>hiden underneath a rock for the last five years, I would not waste my time >>>>trying to explain to you from where am I making these assumptions, neither you >>>>seems to be too knowledgeable to comprehend these issues. I am almost certain >>>>that almost 60 % of the CCC readers would agree with me on this matter. >>>> >>>>Pichard. >>> >>>Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Shirov hand Fritz (running on a very >>>impressive machine) its head on a plate in Frankfurt not too many months ago in >>>a Ruy Lopez with wild tactics? >>> >>>Charley >> >>You are correct my friend, but lately when a super GM accomplish such a fearless >>task of beating either Fritz, Deep Junior or any other top P.C. programs with an >>open game, it immediately becomes a heading on major European newspapers, >>remember when it used to be the other way around, just a couple of years ago >>when it was very difficult for any P.C. chess program to beat any of the top 10 >>players in the world. Thank for reminding me of that event, now I can make my >>point clear when I mentioned that top GMs are forced to use closed >>openings in order to keep the edge. >> >>Pichard. > > From what I've read on this topic so far Pichard it seems to me that your >claims do lack credibility.I know in short time games chess computers can >beat gms but once the gms get time to see the position more clearly they >generally out play c.c. programs.My belief is that this will continue for >some time because it's getting more and more difficult to make significant >improvements in c.c programs. Mind you Pichard I thought they'd have trouble >getting them to play at the level they do now.A fantastic achievement I think >Cheers Allan I do not see that the improvement in chess program is slower today and Deep Junior got 50% against GM's at 2 hours/40 moves. The claim that GM's generally outplay the computers at tournament time control is wrong. Uri
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