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Subject: Re: Kasparov vs Kramnik playing an open game of chess is exciting, But ?!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:41:14 10/18/00

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On October 19, 2000 at 02:32:11, allan johnson wrote:

>On October 17, 2000 at 20:50:15, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On October 17, 2000 at 20:31:52, Charles Milton Ling wrote:
>>
>>>On October 17, 2000 at 20:23:13, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 17, 2000 at 19:51:05, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 17, 2000 at 19:37:32, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>When two humans play an open game of chess specially for the World's
>>>>>>Title it is very exciting to watch. We have not seen too many of these open
>>>>>>games played since the era of Bobby fischer, which is probably the reason why
>>>>>>his games were full of fire. But if any of these two gladiators dare to play an
>>>>>>open game against any of the top leading programs such as Fritz and Chess Tiger
>>>>>>they would not have a chance to defeat these tactical monsters.
>>>>>>The only way to beat the best P.C chess programs is by playing the way that
>>>>>>Kramnik played against Deep Junior with opening like the Stone wall Defense, and
>>>>>>once P.C chess programs are programmed to handle closed openings like the Stone
>>>>>>Wall defense they will become unbeatable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your claims are baseless. Why do you keep posting those trolls?
>>>>>-Andrew-
>>>>
>>>>I post these messages because there are still people like you who do not seems
>>>>to know where the real strength of a computer program lies, unless you have been
>>>>hiden underneath a rock for the last five years, I would not waste my time
>>>>trying to explain to you from where am I making these assumptions, neither you
>>>>seems to be too knowledgeable to comprehend these issues. I am almost certain
>>>>that almost 60 % of the CCC readers would agree with me on this matter.
>>>>
>>>>Pichard.
>>>
>>>Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Shirov hand Fritz (running on a very
>>>impressive machine) its head on a plate in Frankfurt not too many months ago in
>>>a Ruy Lopez with wild tactics?
>>>
>>>Charley
>>
>>You are correct my friend, but lately when a super GM accomplish such a fearless
>>task of beating either Fritz, Deep Junior or any other top P.C. programs with an
>>open game, it immediately becomes a heading on major European newspapers,
>>remember when it used to be the other way around, just a couple of years ago
>>when it was very difficult for any P.C. chess program to beat any of the top 10
>>players in the world. Thank for reminding me of that event, now I can make my
>>point clear when I mentioned that top GMs are forced to use closed
>>openings in order to keep the edge.
>>
>>Pichard.
>
> From what I've read on this topic so far Pichard it seems to me that your
>claims do lack credibility.I know in short time games chess computers can
>beat gms but once the gms get time to see the position more clearly they
>generally out play  c.c. programs.My belief is that this will continue for
>some time because it's getting more  and more difficult to make significant
>improvements in c.c programs. Mind you Pichard I thought they'd have trouble
>getting them to play at the level they do now.A fantastic achievement I think
>Cheers Allan

I do not see that the improvement in chess program is slower today and Deep
Junior got 50% against GM's at 2 hours/40 moves.

The claim that GM's generally outplay the computers at tournament time control
is wrong.

Uri



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