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Subject: Thanks, Paulo! Re: Some more test position with the same team(Nxa1 bad)

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 18:20:01 10/24/00

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On October 22, 2000 at 03:45:40, Paulo Soares wrote:

>On October 22, 2000 at 00:54:48, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>(snipped)
>
>>
>>Last Move : 1... dxc3 (White to play)
>>
>>00:00  01.09  2.90  2.Bxf7+ Ke7
>>00:00  02.00  2.53  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Bg5+ Nf6 4.Bxf6+ gxf6
>>00:01  03.00  0.03  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qd3 4.bxc3 Qxe4+
>>00:02  04.00  1.17  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qb6 4.Bxg8 Qxb3 5.Bxb3
>>00:06  05.00  0.71  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qb6 4.Bxg8 Qxb3 5.Bxb3 cxb2 6.Bxb2
>>00:23  06.00  0.39  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qb6 4.Bxg8 Qxb3
>>01:30  07.00  0.59  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Nf6 4.bxc3 Qa5 5.e5
>>06:32  08.00  0.59  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qb6 4.Bxg8 Qxb3 5.Bxb3 cxb2 6.Bxb2 Bg4
>>11:40  09.00  0.87  2.Bxf7+ Ke7 3.Qb3 Qb6 4.Bxg8 Qxb3 5.Bxb3 cxb2 6.Bxb2
>
>
>You and Q5T did find an interesting move, Bxf7+!?. I think that white
>won't get compensation for the piece, but I am not sure because there are many
>lines in this position, blacks' king is not well positioned and the black pieces
>are not developed. A small mistake in the analyses can be fatal,
>let's see if somebody find a better move.
>
>Paulo
>
>[D]rnbqkbnr/pp3ppp/2p5/8/2ppP3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1
>
>1. Bxc4 dxc3 2. Bxf7+ Ke7 3. Qb3 Nf6 4. e5 (4. O-O Qb6) 4... Ne4 5. bxc3 (5.
>O-O Qb6) 5... Qb6 6. Bg5+ (6. Ba3+ Kd8 7. Rd1+ Kc7) 6... Nxg5 7. Nxg5 Na6 8.
>Ne4 (8. Rd1 Qxb3 9. Bxb3 Nc5 10. Nf7 Nxb3 11. Nxh8 Nc5) 8... Qxb3 9. Bxb3 g6 *


Hello Paulo, thanks for your good analysis. I had  lot of fun trying to put any
holes in it but couldn't really do it! Moves like 4. ..Ne4 and 5. ..Qb6 after
5.0-0 were not very easy to find or find answers to! This position after 1.Bxc4
is not just driving in the fog, more like being in a snowstorm, on a treacherous
mountain path with a precipice on your right.. I don't think all computers would
have found the refutations of 2.Bxf7+ if they didn't take enough time for it
either but I don't think the sacrifice is *entirely* correct.. If ChessTiger
only saw 10% of the variations when it decided not to take the pawn on c4 but
instead the one on d4 with his Queen I would still be impressed. It would be
interesting to see what happens if you force the moves 1. Bxc4 dxc3 2. Bxf7+ Ke7
3. Qb3 and what variations the programs come up with. Unfortunately I just hung
up Explorer and had to reboot, lost a lot of the analysis in unsaved open
files..

This variation was the best I could do to "repair" the sacrifice; after 1. Bxc4
dxc3 2. Bxf7+ Ke7 3. Qb3 Nf6 maybe the more correct way to fight on would be
with 4.Ng5: 12.02  -0.11   4.Ng5 cxb2 5.Qxb2 Qb6 6.Qd2 Nxe4 7.Ba3+. At least
that's what I had as best output before I unwisely decided to see what was
happening here still having seven chess-engines running as well.. Minus .11
pawns but the situation is not very clear yet, to say the least. Into the
swirling snow, trying to find a passage up the forbidding mountain, this is
chess!

Regards, Eelco

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