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Subject: Re: how much more mhz can GM's take

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:39:04 12/02/00

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On December 02, 2000 at 21:34:51, leonid wrote:

>On December 02, 2000 at 14:40:15, Lin Harper wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2000 at 11:39:14, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>On December 01, 2000 at 20:36:27, walter irvin wrote:
>>>
>>>>i have no doubt that you have a monster of a system , but i still believe that a
>>>>human will always find a way . not all people for sure .but the best player will
>>>>always be a human because people are so devious , sneaky , slippery,and cheat
>>>>,actually hate to lose .plus some people are just super smart , like a morphy .i
>>>>really believe that if morphy played deep blue a 6 game match morphy would have
>>>>won .there will always come a person who will be able to beat the machine .true
>>>>maybe if the person did not know who they were playing the machine would win .
>>>>but the human does know ,plays his style based on that .
>>>
>>>I think that human is inevitable looser in the chess game at long run. I doubt
>>>very much that chess game, as game for human, will stay alive more that one
>>
>>
>>
>>>century. As calligraphy became pointless with invention of typewriter, human
>>>game will fade out as soon as computers brain will become somewhat mature.
>>>Computers now just started their life. Never mind! Even now they proved to be
>>>able to beat almost every human while they are in deep infancy.
>>>
>>>8 men tables is good but not that important for computers final win. When
>>>computer will be strong enough, it will win each chess game well before game
>>>will reach its final stage.
>>>
>>>Leonid.
>>   Yes, but won't this make humans stronger too? I mean, then computers will
>> rewrite openings books, and find flaws in our endgames too. I accept we will
>> only be able to compete with them for a limited time, but they will ultimately
>> make the game more, not less, exciting for us. They don't allow forklift
>> trucks in weightlifting competitions.
>
>For how long it is exciting to play when you are looser? For so far as I could
>observe myself and people around me, not for that long.
>
>Only reason for somebody to be happy while loosing with computer is inner
>thought of comming back to human and then win against weak opponent. But even
>about this I am not that sure.
>
>I think that human player will existe like painting still with us after
>invention of photography. Only quality of classic painting is gone for ever. I
>think we are now at the end of classical period of human chess. When computer
>will be the best chess player, quality of human chess game will shrink to the
>position of modern abstract painting.
>
>Leonid.

I know 1600 players who play for a lot of years and they know that they have no
chance against the best humans or against computers.

I see no reason for them to stop to play because of the fact that programs get
better so I do not expect chess to die.

Uri



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