Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:39:04 12/02/00
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On December 02, 2000 at 21:34:51, leonid wrote: >On December 02, 2000 at 14:40:15, Lin Harper wrote: > >>On December 02, 2000 at 11:39:14, leonid wrote: >> >>>On December 01, 2000 at 20:36:27, walter irvin wrote: >>> >>>>i have no doubt that you have a monster of a system , but i still believe that a >>>>human will always find a way . not all people for sure .but the best player will >>>>always be a human because people are so devious , sneaky , slippery,and cheat >>>>,actually hate to lose .plus some people are just super smart , like a morphy .i >>>>really believe that if morphy played deep blue a 6 game match morphy would have >>>>won .there will always come a person who will be able to beat the machine .true >>>>maybe if the person did not know who they were playing the machine would win . >>>>but the human does know ,plays his style based on that . >>> >>>I think that human is inevitable looser in the chess game at long run. I doubt >>>very much that chess game, as game for human, will stay alive more that one >> >> >> >>>century. As calligraphy became pointless with invention of typewriter, human >>>game will fade out as soon as computers brain will become somewhat mature. >>>Computers now just started their life. Never mind! Even now they proved to be >>>able to beat almost every human while they are in deep infancy. >>> >>>8 men tables is good but not that important for computers final win. When >>>computer will be strong enough, it will win each chess game well before game >>>will reach its final stage. >>> >>>Leonid. >> Yes, but won't this make humans stronger too? I mean, then computers will >> rewrite openings books, and find flaws in our endgames too. I accept we will >> only be able to compete with them for a limited time, but they will ultimately >> make the game more, not less, exciting for us. They don't allow forklift >> trucks in weightlifting competitions. > >For how long it is exciting to play when you are looser? For so far as I could >observe myself and people around me, not for that long. > >Only reason for somebody to be happy while loosing with computer is inner >thought of comming back to human and then win against weak opponent. But even >about this I am not that sure. > >I think that human player will existe like painting still with us after >invention of photography. Only quality of classic painting is gone for ever. I >think we are now at the end of classical period of human chess. When computer >will be the best chess player, quality of human chess game will shrink to the >position of modern abstract painting. > >Leonid. I know 1600 players who play for a lot of years and they know that they have no chance against the best humans or against computers. I see no reason for them to stop to play because of the fact that programs get better so I do not expect chess to die. Uri
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