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Subject: Re: to bring some light to the insults

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 12:47:17 12/06/00

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On December 06, 2000 at 15:00:11, Marcus Kaestner wrote:

>>>“Ed Schroeder wanted to play all or nothing that’s why he chose the Belgrade
>>>Gambit. As Rebel had the same bad line in his book as Tiger, I recommended a
>>>different line to Ed, that in my opinion can’t be lost for white, but had great
>>>winning chances. Even though Ed was very sceptical, that this line will be
>>>played (it was simply too good for white), I showed Ed until about move 20 what
>>>Shredder in my opinion would play in this line. And really, Shredder played
>>>until the end of book of Rebel exactly those moves, that I have shown to Ed only
>>>five minutes ago.”
>
>the translation is correct.
>
>if you quote only parts of the text one must get the impression, that i was
>reliable for the opening. that´s the way meyer-kahlen and weiner did at the
>court.


Where exactly did we do so?


>but if you are reading all the stuff, WITH the sentence at the beginning, it is
>clear, that i have had NO influence!
>
>"Ed Schroeder wanted to play all or nothing that’s why he chose the Belgrade
>Gambit"
>
>this sentence is absolutely clear. it says, that the decision was ALREADY made
>by ed.
>
>but what happened then?
>
>ed said:"Rebel cannot again play Bc4 as tiger, that´s a bad line, let´s have a
>look which other move is possible". so we found Qe2 instead of Bc4.
>ed said:"oh, that´s looking good! let´s have a look what can follow."


This is not written in your magazine.


>now comes the important point:
>
>i used the rebel-book to play forward some moves, using the black answers which
>i thought most likely to be played because it´s a main line in comp-comp games.
>very often i have seen this.


This is also not written in your magazine.


>i have had no special shredder-book knowledge at this moment, because i never
>have tested shredder with this opening. i have had not a single idea what
>shredder has in his book, but due to my experience i thought that this special
>line has a very good chance to occure on the board. that´s all!
>
>and by the way: i exactly knew, that stefan ALWAYS is using a secret tournament
>book, which has nothing in common with the commercial book. so using
>inside-knowledge was ABSOLUTELY impossible.
>
>but i am MORE than disappointed that stefan is saying such bad things about me.
>he knows VERY well that i NEVER used inside knowledge against ANY program. last
>year in paderborn HE wanted me to outbook tiger, because those days i also have
>had a tiger-version which was close to the tiger-paderborn version. i refused to
>do that.


Come on Marcus, stop telling bull shit.
Whould you also say this in an oath?


>this year i reported to ed, that century 3 played fantastic in my tests and he
>asked me if i can give him the games (he didn´t know that i have had a shredder
>beta). i said: sorry ed, but some of the games are played with the latest
>shredder and tiger versions and it would be unfair if i would give you the
>games. of course immediately ed was in agreement.
>
>ed can confirm this and everyone can see that i NEVER have had only the idea to
>hurt shredder with inside-knowledge. I NEVER WOULD DO THAT!
>
>i only can say, that the behaviour of stefan meyer-kahlen to insult me of these
>nasty things, is the most disappointing thing in my "computerchess-life".
>
>everyone can see the difference in honesty between these two programmers and
>these two companies:
>
>last year i worked together with stefan and stefan became world-champion.
>shredder beat rebel. did anyone heard a word of complainment from ed? no!


Why should he have complained?


>those days stefan said to me: "thanks marcus, i will never forget how you helped
>me to reach the title. you have had a big part on the success"
>
>no, i need no merits or something else, but everybody can see how long and in
>which way the word "never" lasts, spoken by this "honest" man.


You also said "I would NEVER give beta versions to somebody else".


>now compare to this year.
>i worked together with ed. stefan and mr weiner complain about using
>inside-knowledge.
>and ed? ed (totally unguilty) becomes involved in a fight which isn´t his
>business. he could say nothing to become not involved. but he is telling the
>truth even he then has to defend himself. a behaviour that i never have seen
>from mr meyer-kahlen. last year when somebody in public insulted me to be unfair
>in favour of shredder, stefan NEVER helped me and said the truth, because he
>could become involved and that maybe could not be good for himself.


Please remind me, who accused you?


>does anybody see the difference?
>does anybody see who is the honest man of these two programmers?
>
>i for myself know VERY well.
>
>so please do not believe ed or christophe would ever use inside-knowledge.
>
>ed schröder is by far the MOST honest chess-programmer i have ever met.
>
>>
>>I sincerely believe Marcus did nothing wrong. I asked him to operate Tiger
>>and he did a fine job. Seeing him sued for that makes me angry as I feel
>>it as my obligation to take good care of people who have helped me.
>
>has anyone seen such a statement from mr meyer-kahlen last year?


What happened last year?

Stefan


>>
>>Marcus is just like many here in CCC a passionate computer chess lover
>>who loves ALL chess programs and due to circumstances got the chance
>>to operate one of his favorite chess programs in a WCCCM and I did not
>>put tape on his mouth to forbid him to communicate with me. 6-7 days we
>>only talked about computer chess and nothing to your disadvantage has
>>been said.
>
>that´s totally true!
>
>>
>>Preparing the opening for each game was the job of Jeroen and me alone.
>>If Marcus gave his comments he had every right to do that as he has been
>>born with a tongue. The only thing he contributed was something that was
>>used in the Tiger-Nimzo game because something was wrong with the Tiger
>>book game and the trick worked quite well.
>
>correct
>
>>
>>Again: nothing has been said to your disadvantage.
>
>correct
>
>>
>>
>>Whatever your wars with Marcus he did a fine and honest job in London and
>>I hope the 2 of you are able to find your way out.
>>
>>But maybe he just remembers things just a bit different than I?
>>
>>Is that a reason to sue?
>>
>>
>>
>>>So according to Marcus Kästner it was YOU who decided to play the Belgrade
>>>Gambit, but HE told you to play this line where Shredder came out of book lost.
>
>as anyone can see, i have not "told", i have "shown" what will occure on the
>board in my opinion. quite a difference, isn´t it?
>
>marcus



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