Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:23:30 12/07/00
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On December 07, 2000 at 14:59:12, Christophe Theron wrote: >On December 07, 2000 at 11:14:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 07, 2000 at 07:09:52, Harry Field wrote: >> >>>On December 06, 2000 at 16:26:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On December 06, 2000 at 13:30:05, Harry Field wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 06, 2000 at 10:52:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 06, 2000 at 01:20:08, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 06, 2000 at 00:50:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Isn't this the latest fad? Can you say "deep junior", "deep fritz"? Care >>>>>>>>to guess where "deep" was first used? :) Ie what could be more confusing >>>>>>>>than "deep junior" after there is already a very famous program that went >>>>>>>>by "deep blue junior"??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I wouldn't have dared to say it myself. I happen to be in perfect agreement with >>>>>>>you on this topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm a big boy. I don't mind stating the obvious. >>>>> >>>>>Except you happen to be wrong. Big boy. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nice opinion, no proof? >>>> >>> >>>Just read on. The proof is revealed. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Seems to me that borrowing from a "famous name" is quite acceptable, >>>>>>>>wouldn't you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I did not say it is not acceptable or illegal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It's just a low commercial practice. And generally used by followers, that's why >>>>>>>I have been disappointed to see Stefan doing it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I wouldn't begin to claim to know the motivation behind any of the look-alike >>>>>>names. I simply don't like the idea much. IE "crafty" is "crafty" whether it >>>>>>is a parallel searcher or a serial searcher. I don't like any of the following, >>>>>>personally: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. the name is a proper subset of the name of another program. IE there is >>>>>>already a program named x y z, and the new name is either x y, x z or y z. >>>>>> >>>>>>2. the name is an improper subset of the name of another program. ie there >>>>>>is a program named x y, and the new program is named x z or y z. >>>>>> >>>>>>1 certainly leads to mass confusion. 2 leads to some confusion. Both seem to >>>>>>be 'strange'... >>>>>> >>>>>>IE on ICC we have had a "deepblue", a "deeperblue". A "diepblue". Etc. >>>>>>I don't like any of them. Since none have Hsu/Campbell/Hoane/etc behind them. >>>>> >>>>>Hsu/Cambell ripped the name "Deep Thought" off from the Douglas Adams book >>>>>"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Deep Thought was a computer which was >>>>>supposed to be able to answer the question of life, the universe and everything, >>>>>taking seven million years and producing the answer "42". >>>>> >>>>>Also around at that time, as "big boys" will remember, was the Linda Lovelace >>>>>porn movie "Deep Throat", featuring a prolonged act of oral sex for the "first" >>>>>time on mass release in video porn stores. The name "Deep Throat" was then used >>>>>for the mole in the Nixon administration which was feeding inside informations >>>>>to Woodward/Berstein team reference the Watergate scandal. Whether Deep Thought >>>>>or Deep Throat came first (sic), I don't know. Both came before Hsu and co. >>>>> >>>>>Deep Thought was then renamed Deep Blue for IBM purposes. How your theory that a >>>>>ripped off name could then be 'owned' and further users of it castigated is >>>>>beyond me. Have you an agenda or case to prove? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't have anything to prove. >>> >>> >>>!!!!!!! >>> >>> >>> The _first_ chess program to use the name >>>>"deep anything" was deep thought. IBM then changed the name to deep blue. >>>>That is what I said. That is _all_ I said. >>> >>> >>>No it is not all you said. You call "Deep" a "look-alike" name, implying that >>>the original was Hsu and co's Deep Thought (you said first used) and the later >>>version names are confusing, look-alikes, of dubious motivation, strange, odd. >>> >>>All that I said was that the Hsu and co name was not original either and ripped >>>off Douglas Adams. The rip off was in more ways than one. DeepThought was a >>>hubristic attempt that didn't work, to solve life the universe and everything, >>>it was attended by high priest programmers who were in awe of it and eventually, >>>after an unexpected seven million years of processing it provided a useless >>>answer by a thinking process nobody could understand. DeepThought rip off >>>version was produced, hubristically, in total lack of understanding of the irony >>>of the original, to solve by deep search the problem of an 8x8 zero-sum game >>>(thought of by the computer chess fanatics as life, the universe and >>>everything), it is attended by high priest programmers and acoloytes in awe of >>>it and it provided a useless answer, before being taken to pieces for ever, by a >>>thinking process nobody could understand or wanted to use again. >> >>As I said, I don't _care_ about other names using "deep" as in "deep throat" >>and the like. The subject du jour is chess program names. And there, Hsu >>and Campbell _do_ have dibs on the name deep thought. And IBM has apparently >>registered "deep blue" as a trademark so they _definitely_ have dibs on that >>name. >> >>I don't think GM would care if someone produced a knife named "Impala". But >>I don't think they would stand for a BMW model with that name. Ditto for >>chess engines. >> >> >>> >>>Both machines were cheats, both were principally hardware, both couldn't do what >>>they were supposed to do, both required 7 million years to reach a useless >>>answer, both were scrapped, etc. etc. etc. >> >> >>That is an _incredibly_ stupid statement. "Both machines were cheats, ..." >>Total stupidity. Deep Blue was an incredible failure, after all it could >>only manage to beat the best human on the planet. Real "cheat" I would >>say... > > > > >Bob, obviously the guy is trolling. > >I think he got us. Me with "Gambit", and you with "Deep Blue". > >Maybe he is Chris? If it is so, congratulations Chris, you've got me! :) > > > > Christophe actually he was exposed earlier. :) There have been private email conversations about this already. :(
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