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Subject: Re: Shredder 5 - first impressions

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 09:19:13 12/19/00

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On December 19, 2000 at 06:52:08, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On December 18, 2000 at 22:58:06, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>I wish I could agree with you guys but I can't.  If you don't mind paying twice
>>what would be a fair price then maybe you can be happy with it.  I've had it a
>>week now and I'm satisfied with it's strength at longer time controls.  At
>>Game/30 or less it seems to suffer from some unknown malady.
>
>It's not an especially fast program, around 160Knps on my Athlon, but quite
>selective or so it seems. That could be a problem at faster timecontrols.



Why? Can you explain your reasonning?



    Christophe




>>The GUI is pretty
>>smooth but it is my first Shredder and the help files seem to be written for
>>some other program (Maybe Shredder 4).  Maybe you can tell me what the
>>"Ettiquette" setting is for?
>
>I think it means whether it resigns or not, but it isn't in the manual (Shredder
>4 or 5) to my knowledge.
>
>>I get messages in the endgame like:
>>"Looking for a win for white CD1 CD2 CD3 CD4" and "endgame database not found"
>>I have the 3/4/5 man endgame tablebases in "D:\tb\" and it seems to use them
>>most of the time, so why the messages?
>
>Maybe you have "Ask for right endgame CD" enabled. It uses the tablebases
>flawlessly on my comp.
>
>>The database functions are primitive but
>>do work.  For instance there is no "Math" functions like computing ELO and no
>>easy way to copy files to a different database.  No way to do a crosstable of a
>>match/tournament just played.
>
>The database functions are very simple indeed.
>
>>So compared to Chessbase it comes up way short.  I haven't even looked at the
>>SOS program so I can't comment on it.  Frankly I am only interested in the
>>"World Champion" and that is the reason I payed the too high price.  I believe
>>ChessMaster 8000 at 25% of the price is a better deal by far.  And at least they
>>are planning a patch to fix the bugs in it. (Yes I downloaded the patch which
>>does nothing for me)
>
>The Chessbase GUI is still superior on the market, but I find that the Shredder
>GUI is quite sufficient for my needs. The only real problem is the lack of
>database functions. Since I use dedicated software for that anyway, it's not a
>problem.
>
>Can't comment on the autoplayer as I'm worse off than a rookie when it comes to
>that subject. However, I've heard that Shredder 4 had very good A232 support,
>which probably hasn't deteriorated.
>
>Mogens.



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