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Subject: Re: If you like to solve a mate... Correction!

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 13:54:13 02/09/01

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On February 09, 2001 at 15:45:05, leonid wrote:

>On February 09, 2001 at 11:51:37, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On February 09, 2001 at 08:40:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 09, 2001 at 08:25:02, Hans Havermann wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 09, 2001 at 06:51:15, leonid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>[D]1bqQBnRn/3N2Qb/Q1QN2np/1Q1Q1qpk/4Qqbn/2B1Qrnn/2Q5/K1R5 w - -
>>>>
>>>>Black has too many promotions. :)
>>>
>>>Right.
>>>
>>>Most chess programs cannot analyze positions when black has 7 promotions and 2
>>>pawns.
>>>
>>>Chessbase programs do not accept the position and the engine is not
>>>important(after Board, Setup position,paste Fen I cannot tell the program ok.
>>>
>>>I think that it is a bug in the chessbase interface because the interface is
>>>made for many engines and it is possible that some of the engines have no
>>>problem to analyze the illegal position.
>>>
>>>I think that the interface should allow putting illegal position in the board
>>>and I do not understand the decision not to allow putting illegal positions.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Well, look at it this way though, this position crashes Crafty when I paste it
>>into Crafty running in text mode, and I can paste the position into Winboard,
>>but niether TCB nor Crafty will analyze the position once it's there.  I suppose
>>I could fix the position so it IS legal, but then it would be a different
>>position.
>>
>>Pete
>
>I have no idea why in Crafty it could be the problem to solve position like
>above. I never used Crafty for this purpose. I used it only for playing chess.
>Great program! But I was very interested to know why many of programs that I
>used around 4 eyars ago crashed on positions, even every modest compared with
>the last one. Now I only have some guessing about what it could be. Maybe some
>programs use some look-up tables that is the beginning for all limitations.
>Maybe number of moves was limited for each ply, taking in consideration that DOS
>was very restrictive system. I just don't know...
>
>Leonid.

Well, fwiw, I removed one Queen, the one on Wht's 8th rank, and then Crafty
didn't mind the position

[D]1bq1BnRn/3N2Qb/Q1QN2np/1Q1Q1qpk/4Qqbn/2B1Qrnn/2Q5/K1R5 w - - 0 1

but I have no idea how important that Queen was to that position.  With the
position like that, Crafty is intent on doing Nxf5 but it hasn't shown me # yet.

Pete



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